Where is the alert on Cuddle Cat happening and is it on video?

[Robittybob1]

Does Martin Grime not say anything specific about the two episodes of barking in the dining room?

[Robittybob1]

Looking critically at the video https://youtu.be/_qG21K6XJRg

we get two different views of the sideboard door.  From measurements of the opening between the two views the cupboard door is more open on the second view.

First view is when the alert occurs.
Second view is when CC is found.

Conclusion:
Cuddle cat had been placed in the sideboard cupboard between first view and second view.

You can really see it by the gap that develops as the bi-fold door opens  Vertical gap very much more noticeable in the second photo.

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[Robittybob1]

Calculations to prove door is more open:

80   50   94.33981132      700   7.41998516  Second Photo
67   30   73.40980861      688   9.372044595 First photo

aspect ratios of 7.4 and 9.4 were measured (Aspect ratio = height of door in pixels/gap behind door.) 
To measure the jap in pixels I use the Pythagoras theorem a^2 + b^2 = C^2   so the door with the biggest gap had the largest rectangle (80X50) = giving a hypotenuse of 94.3 pixels.
To make sure the size of the gap is not just from being closer to the door I look at the apparent height of the door. So the second photo was slightly closer 700:688 but very minor difference. compared to the changes in the length of the hypotenuse.

[sadie]

Looking critically at the video https://youtu.be/_qG21K6XJRg

we get two different views of the sideboard door.  From measurements of the opening between the two views the cupboard door is more open on the second view.

First view is when the alert occurs.
Second view is when CC is found.

Conclusion:
Cuddle cat had been placed in the sideboard cupboard between first view and second view.

You can really see it by the gap that develops as the bi-fold door opens  Vertical gap very much more noticeable in the second photo.

Looking at your two photos above, Rob, which I am unable technically to reproduce, I notice that the camera position is different for each photo.

You may well be correct with your hypothesis, Rob, but with different camera positions it is unfortunately not possible to tell IMO.   Move the camera a little and the view changes.

Some egg head like Alice might be able to work it out, but I am doubtful with no datum information to work from.


You have put such a lot of time and effort into working this out, I feel mean telling you.

But anyhow, IMO, Eddie alerted to the pile of folders on the counter and not CuddleCat at all.   I wonder especially where the loose piece of paper on the very top of the pile came from.  Did that have the smell of cooked pork on it?  Bacon sarnies for breakfast?   Eddie was trained on dead piglets.

Worse still had it been deliberately impregnated with the smell of cadavarine?

But who would do that?

[Robittybob1]

Had they opened the door when Eddie alerted and we saw CC in the sideboard then their argument would have been better.  But they left the area and then they returned , the doors look as if they have been moved, and the cupboard is open and CC is in there.  I'm not convinced as I see Eddie go past the open cupboard and did not alert.  But as you say when he was reaching up to the pile of folders that is when he reacts.

[Robittybob1]

First opening https://youtu.be/_qG21K6XJRg?t=278

Second opening https://youtu.be/_qG21K6XJRg?t=337  He opens the middle bi-fold door first gets a glimpse of where CC is and then opens up the first bi-fold door. 

Sadie do you set you video speed to 25% before watching this so you can stop it where it is best?

Bottom row of video look for the gear wheel (settings) select, then select "speed" the arrowhead and click on 25%.  THE VIDEO WILL NOW SLOW RIGHT DOWN.

[G-Unit]

Looking at your two photos above, Rob, which I am unable technically to reproduce, I notice that the camera position is different for each photo.

You may well be correct with your hypothesis, Rob, but with different camera positions it is unfortunately not possible to tell IMO.   Move the camera a little and the view changes.

Some egg head like Alice might be able to work it out, but I am doubtful with no datum information to work from.


You have put such a lot of time and effort into working this out, I feel mean telling you.

But anyhow, IMO, Eddie alerted to the pile of folders on the counter and not CuddleCat at all.   I wonder especially where the loose piece of paper on the very top of the pile came from.  Did that have the smell of cooked pork on it?  Bacon sarnies for breakfast?   Eddie was trained on dead piglets.

Worse still had it been deliberately impregnated with the smell of cadavarine?

But who would do that?

Martin Grime is an expert dog trainer and handler. It's a bit pathetic in my opinion when people try to suggest they know better than he does what his dog alerted to.

The McCanns and their lawyers tried to discredit Eddie by pointing to one U.S. judge's comments and suggesting that cadaver dogs are 'incredibly unreliable' when tested scientifically.

Perhaps they didn't realise that Eddie was independently scientifically tested at regular intervals and had an exemplary record, as did Grime. Other dogs may have been found to be unreliable, but Eddie never was.

Those who support the McCanns have followed their lead but their efforts include more fantasies than facts in my opinion. Only the truly desperate would make some of the ridiculous suggestions I have seen imo.

Not only do people quote studies showing other dogs being 'unreliable', they argue that Eddie didn't alert to the scent he was trained to detect.

I can only conclude that Eddie's alerts are seen as a threat. Otherwise why expend so much energy and imagination trying to suggest that he was wrong?

[Mr Gray]

Martin Grime is an expert dog trainer and handler. It's a bit pathetic in my opinion when people try to suggest they know better than he does what his dog alerted to.

The McCanns and their lawyers tried to discredit Eddie by pointing to one U.S. judge's comments and suggesting that cadaver dogs are 'incredibly unreliable' when tested scientifically.

Perhaps they didn't realise that Eddie was independently scientifically tested at regular intervals and had an exemplary record, as did Grime. Other dogs may have been found to be unreliable, but Eddie never was.

Those who support the McCanns have followed their lead but their efforts include more fantasies than facts in my opinion. Only the truly desperate would make some of the ridiculous suggestions I have seen imo.

Not only do people quote studies showing other dogs being 'unreliable', they argue that Eddie didn't alert to the scent he was trained to detect.

I can only conclude that Eddie's alerts are seen as a threat. Otherwise why expend so much energy and imagination trying to suggest that he was wrong?

The  reason for posting is to dispel the myths... Surely it's the truth that's important.. I have never criticised Grime
Do you have a cite fir scientific  testing of Eddie.. I read evidence of ytraining was anectdotal not scientific..

You have shown your misunderstanding  of what grime said on another thread...
Grime has never confirmed the alerts, were to cadaver odour... They have no evidential reliability... You need to accept that

[Mr Gray]

Martin Grime is an expert dog trainer and handler. It's a bit pathetic in my opinion when people try to suggest they know better than he does what his dog alerted to.

The McCanns and their lawyers tried to discredit Eddie by pointing to one U.S. judge's comments and suggesting that cadaver dogs are 'incredibly unreliable' when tested scientifically.

Perhaps they didn't realise that Eddie was independently scientifically tested at regular intervals and had an exemplary record, as did Grime. Other dogs may have been found to be unreliable, but Eddie never was.

Those who support the McCanns have followed their lead but their efforts include more fantasies than facts in my opinion. Only the truly desperate would make some of the ridiculous suggestions I have seen imo.

Not only do people quote studies showing other dogs being 'unreliable', they argue that Eddie didn't alert to the scent he was trained to detect.

I can only conclude that Eddie's alerts are seen as a threat. Otherwise why expend so much energy and imagination trying to suggest that he was wrong?

Cite for independent scientific  testing... Otherwise it appears you are making things up as you go along

And cite fir Eddie alerted to what he was trained for

[Robittybob1]

Martin Grime is an expert dog trainer and handler. It's a bit pathetic in my opinion when people try to suggest they know better than he does what his dog alerted to.

snip ...

I can only conclude that Eddie's alerts are seen as a threat. Otherwise why expend so much energy and imagination trying to suggest that he was wrong?

Can you show me any statement from Martin Grime that talks of the alert to CC in the dining room?

[barrier]

The  reason for posting is to dispel the myths...

Isn't there a specific site for that,or is it failing.

[Mr Gray]

Isn't there a specific site for that,or is it failing.

I prefer to post here where I can answer questions direct and help people understand the facts

[Mr Gray]

Isn't there a specific site for that,or is it failing.

I dint see the point in posting on a site that only allows one viewpoint

[barrier]

I prefer to post here where I can answer questions direct and help people understand the facts

Best leave that to the real experts,SY and the PJ.

[slartibartfast]

The  reason for posting is to dispel the myths... Surely it's the truth that's important.. I have never criticised Grime
Do you have a cite fir scientific  testing of Eddie.. I read evidence of ytraining was anectdotal not scientific..

You have shown your misunderstanding  of what grime said on another thread...
Grime has never confirmed the alerts, were to cadaver odour... They have no evidential reliability... You need to accept that

I think it is more to create another myth of the unreliable search dog.