Jeremy Bamber - The bloodied fingerprints and the Bible

[puglove]

Absolutely, Myster, a massive Freudian slip, I've always thought that! Maybe Bamber batted at Crispy with the bible when he'd shot Sheila and was arranging her body, and Crispy was barking at him from under the bed. It might also explain his crack about "if only dogs could talk."

Poor Crispy, witnessing such horror then, although the last link to Bamber's "beloved Mum", put to sleep in case Bamber's stereo wires got chewed. Yet another tick in the "Bamber is a callous, murdering arsehole" box.

Just to add....Bamber having Crispy destroyed links to the psychometry thing - Bamber insisted that June's rings were cremated with her (although they wouldn't have burnt) in case of pyschometry, which Bamber believed in. Fortunately, Basil Cock kept them safe.

Just ticked another box!

[david1819]

I don't know what you're seeing, David, but it's not what I'm seeing. And I believed that Bamber was innocent for 25 years. Thanks to Mike Tesko, I realised how wrong I'd been.

You changed your mind because of Mikes crazy theories? I don't blame you, I just ignore him.

I was of the belief Bamber was guilty when I first took interest in the case.

[Opal]

I'm probably going over past mentions of this posted on here....sorry....but I'm a newbie here and still working it out to my own satisfaction.
1) If supposedly NB rang JB on the night of the murders from the downstairs phone ( taken from bedroom) Then why didn't NB say anything about being shot at? Yes - obviously JB is not supposed to know his father has been shot...BUT...it stands to reason that if anyone makes a phone call to tell of someone going mad with a gun And having been first shot in bed you would tell the person you're ringing this whilst on kitchen phone, in fact it's more than likely it would be your first words...I've been shot!  BUT...of course JB would then be putting himself in the frame with this knowledge if Police found no call was made. That's another reason JB bought the logs... made of the calls... up at his appeals...he'd gone to a lot of trouble covering his back only for the Police to state that only one call was made 'HIS'!

2) Say SC did shoot all her family...why did she wait until one family member has left WHF. It's well known that SC and JB didn't see eye to eye. If she was capable of shooting her father whom she adored, she would have had no concerns about doing the same to JB. Remembering SC was supposed to have gone berserk so not thinking rationally. NO! JB stood to gain everything by killing all of the family in the early hours of the morning when all of them were asleep in bed.

[Angelo222]

I'm probably going over past mentions of this posted on here....sorry....but I'm a newbie here and still working it out to my own satisfaction.
1) If supposedly NB rang JB on the night of the murders from the downstairs phone ( taken from bedroom) Then why didn't NB say anything about being shot at? Yes - obviously JB is not supposed to know his father has been shot...BUT...it stands to reason that if anyone makes a phone call to tell of someone going mad with a gun And having been first shot in bed you would tell the person you're ringing this whilst on kitchen phone, in fact it's more than likely it would be your first words...I've been shot!  BUT...of course JB would then be putting himself in the frame with this knowledge if Police found no call was made. That's another reason JB bought the logs... made of the calls... up at his appeals...he'd gone to a lot of trouble covering his back only for the Police to state that only one call was made 'HIS'!

2) Say SC did shoot all her family...why did she wait until one family member has left WHF. It's well known that SC and JB didn't see eye to eye. If she was capable of shooting her father whom she adored, she would have had no concerns about doing the same to JB. Remembering SC was supposed to have gone berserk so not thinking rationally. NO! JB stood to gain everything by killing all of the family in the early hours of the morning when all of them were asleep in bed.

Just another flawed detail in Jeremy's story I agree.  Neville was shot in the bedroom and badly wounded, had he made it to the kitchen and been able to phone anyone i dare say he would have mentioned being wounded.  Fact is, his jaw was so badly damaged by that first hail of bullets that he couldn't speak to anyone.

[Angelo222]

Absolutely, Myster, a massive Freudian slip, I've always thought that! Maybe Bamber batted at Crispy with the bible when he'd shot Sheila and was arranging her body, and Crispy was barking at him from under the bed. It might also explain his crack about "if only dogs could talk."

Poor Crispy, witnessing such horror then, although the last link to Bamber's "beloved Mum", put to sleep in case Bamber's stereo wires got chewed. Yet another tick in the "Bamber is a callous, murdering arsehole" box.

Poor little mite, he lost his family too, he was the sixth victim.

[david1819]

I'm probably going over past mentions of this posted on here....sorry....but I'm a newbie here and still working it out to my own satisfaction.
1) If supposedly NB rang JB on the night of the murders from the downstairs phone ( taken from bedroom) Then why didn't NB say anything about being shot at? Yes - obviously JB is not supposed to know his father has been shot...BUT...it stands to reason that if anyone makes a phone call to tell of someone going mad with a gun And having been first shot in bed you would tell the person you're ringing this whilst on kitchen phone, in fact it's more than likely it would be your first words...I've been shot!  BUT...of course JB would then be putting himself in the frame with this knowledge if Police found no call was made. That's another reason JB bought the logs... made of the calls... up at his appeals...he'd gone to a lot of trouble covering his back only for the Police to state that only one call was made 'HIS'!

If Shelia committed the massacre, Neville rang Jeremy before he was shot.

2) Say SC did shoot all her family...why did she wait until one family member has left WHF. It's well known that SC and JB didn't see eye to eye. If she was capable of shooting her father whom she adored, she would have had no concerns about doing the same to JB. Remembering SC was supposed to have gone berserk so not thinking rationally. NO! JB stood to gain everything by killing all of the family in the early hours of the morning when all of them were asleep in bed.

"why did she wait until one family member has left WHF?" she didn't wait to commit the crime. she would have been triggered by the threat of having her children taken into foster care.

[Caroline]

If Shelia committed the massacre, Neville rang Jeremy before he was shot.

"why did she wait until one family member has left WHF?" she didn't wait to commit the crime. she would have been triggered by the threat of having her children taken into foster care.

But Sheila didn't and we only have Jeremy's word in respect to the foster care suggestion. Colin was the primary carer so the whole argument is ridiculous. 

[Caroline]

Just to add....Bamber having Crispy destroyed links to the psychometry thing - Bamber insisted that June's rings were cremated with her (although they wouldn't have burnt) in case of pyschometry, which Bamber believed in. Fortunately, Basil Cock kept them safe.

Just ticked another box!

Did he really? I have wondered about that and it also explains why he had a melt down when Mike was intersted in contacting a psychic.

[Caroline]

The evidence to suggest this does not stand up to scrutiny

Of course it does, the evidence to suggest he didn't kill everyone doesn't stand up to scrutiny - you are using confirmation bias!

[scipio_usmc]

I'm probably going over past mentions of this posted on here....sorry....but I'm a newbie here and still working it out to my own satisfaction.
1) If supposedly NB rang JB on the night of the murders from the downstairs phone ( taken from bedroom) Then why didn't NB say anything about being shot at? Yes - obviously JB is not supposed to know his father has been shot...BUT...it stands to reason that if anyone makes a phone call to tell of someone going mad with a gun And having been first shot in bed you would tell the person you're ringing this whilst on kitchen phone, in fact it's more than likely it would be your first words...I've been shot!  BUT...of course JB would then be putting himself in the frame with this knowledge if Police found no call was made. That's another reason JB bought the logs... made of the calls... up at his appeals...he'd gone to a lot of trouble covering his back only for the Police to state that only one call was made 'HIS'!

2) Say SC did shoot all her family...why did she wait until one family member has left WHF. It's well known that SC and JB didn't see eye to eye. If she was capable of shooting her father whom she adored, she would have had no concerns about doing the same to JB. Remembering SC was supposed to have gone berserk so not thinking rationally. NO! JB stood to gain everything by killing all of the family in the early hours of the morning when all of them were asleep in bed.

Jeremy hoped that police would believe that Nevill was shot after making the phonecall. The claim that the phone was disconnected was supposed to intimate that Sheila attacked him disconnecting the call and killing him in the kitchen.  He hoped police would not figure out that he had been shot in the bedroom.  They pieced that together later after the evidence was fully processed.

Later on Jeremy tried putting another thought in the head of police. He suggested Sheila forced Nevill to make the call to lure him there so she could kill him too. Perhaps he hoped they would come to such suspicion on their own based on the scene but they didn't and even his suggestion didn't get the to seriously consider such.

If she had actually opened fire already Nevill would have called 999 requesting an ambulance in addition to police.  The notion he would call Jeremy is such situation is not credible but even if he would call Jeremy he would note who had been shot and to summon an ambulance not simply come over himself.  Thus he had no choice but to try to pretend Nevill called him before any shots had been fired.

 

[scipio_usmc]

The evidence to suggest this does not stand up to scrutiny

Your claim is an empty one. Neither you, nor Jeremy's lawyers nor any other Jeremy supporter for that matter has come up with anything to undermine the evidence proving Jeremy committed the murders and tried to frame Sheila.

WHat fails to stand up to scrutiny are the suggestions of those who insist he is innocent.

[adam]

Jeremy hoped that police would believe that Nevill was shot after making the phonecall. The claim that the phone was disconnected was supposed to intimate that Sheila attacked him disconnecting the call and killing him in the kitchen.  He hoped police would not figure out that he had been shot in the bedroom.  They pieced that together later after the evidence was fully processed.

Later on Jeremy tried putting another thought in the head of police. He suggested Sheila forced Nevill to make the call to lure him there so she could kill him too. Perhaps he hoped they would come to such suspicion on their own based on the scene but they didn't and even his suggestion didn't get the to seriously consider such.

If she had actually opened fire already Nevill would have called 999 requesting an ambulance in addition to police.  The notion he would call Jeremy is such situation is not credible but even if he would call Jeremy he would note who had been shot and to summon an ambulance not simply come over himself.  Thus he had no choice but to try to pretend Nevill called him before any shots had been fired.

Have you got a source that Bamber suggested to the police that Sheila had forced Neville to call him ?

He didn't say this while outside of WHF with the police. After the bodies were found I don't recall him insinuating Sheila much. He felt he had done enough. After his arrest he was just evasive and insinuated Crispy as well as briefly saying Neville may have said 'she' rather than 'Sheila'.

[david1819]

But Sheila didn't

Prove it.

and we only have Jeremy's word in respect to the foster care suggestion.

No we don't. I quote from the statement by Collins mother taken on 29/9/85

I remember just after Sheila's second illness, I spoke to June BAMBER on the phone. She conveyed to me then of her concern that through Sheila's illness, the boys might be put into foster homes.

Colin was the primary carer so the whole argument is ridiculous.

On the contrary, they had joined custody of the twins. and even thou Colin claims he did most the effort it does not mean Sheila would have seen it that way.

Of course it does, the evidence to suggest he didn't kill everyone doesn't stand up to scrutiny

If that was the case your arguments would not fall apart under scrutiny.

[scipio_usmc]

Have you got a source that Bamber suggested to the police that Sheila had forced Neville to call him ?

He didn't say this while outside of WHF with the police. After the bodies were found I don't recall him insinuating Sheila much. He felt he had done enough. After his arrest he was just evasive and insinuated Crispy as well as briefly saying Neville may have said 'she' rather than 'Sheila'.

Among the reasons Jeremy gave for not rushing over was that he feared the call was a trick to get him there so he could also be harmed.  Clearly he hoped police would think such possibility on their own and it is even possible that he injured Nevill's back to make it appear Sheila was doing such in an effort to get him to call but police failed to consider such realistic even after he tossed it out there but it simply went in one ear and out the other. On the other hand the family didn't forget about it and considered it ridiculous and another reason to not trust Jeremy. Jeremy saying he was scared to go over because he thought it was a trap was a major red flag to the family and Ann Eaton wrote as much in a statement.

 

[Opal]

If Shelia committed the massacre, Neville rang Jeremy before he was shot.
]"why did she wait until one family member has left WHF?"[/i]

she didn't wait to commit the crime. she would have been triggered by the threat of having her children taken into foster care.

This contradicts your reply to my question 'why did she wait until one family member has left WHF....either SC didn't wait in which case Neville was shot before phone call to JB, at around 3.26 am.... OR.... NB wasn't shot until after 3.26 am which means if it was Sheila...she waited an awful long time.