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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Caroline on March 02, 2020, 11:42:42 AM

Title: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 02, 2020, 11:42:42 AM
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2020/03/reflections-on-recent-media.html?m=1

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/police-hid-jeremy-bambers-sister-21377938

In the blog, Bamber states that the DS Jones statement about a suicide note was only discovered about a year ago and has never been shown to the defence. However, the Daily Star article has the CT claiming;

"Representatives for Bamber say police statements prove the existence of a "suicide note" and claim its existence was overlooked by Essex Police officers.

The campaign claims the defence was only made aware of the existence of a suicide note when Metropolitan Interview recordings were released in 2011"

These tapes/statements MUST have been released otherwise how can the CT and Bamber quote from them? Interesting that only a partial quote is given - enough to spark interest - but nothing more.

Also Bamber claims that EP don't dispute the claim of the suicide note but the Daily Star states that they don't dispute (nor presumably confirm) that the 'statement' exists not the claim on the suicide note itself.

Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 02, 2020, 02:38:36 PM
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2020/03/reflections-on-recent-media.html?m=1

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/police-hid-jeremy-bambers-sister-21377938

In the blog, Bamber states that the DS Jones statement about a suicide note was only discovered about a year ago and has never been shown to the defence. However, the Daily Star article has the CT claiming;

"Representatives for Bamber say police statements prove the existence of a "suicide note" and claim its existence was overlooked by Essex Police officers.

The campaign claims the defence was only made aware of the existence of a suicide note when Metropolitan Interview recordings were released in 2011"

These tapes/statements MUST have been released otherwise how can the CT and Bamber quote from them? Interesting that only a partial quote is given - enough to spark interest - but nothing more.

Also Bamber claims that EP don't dispute the claim of the suicide note but the Daily Star states that they don't dispute (nor presumably confirm) that the 'statement' exists not the claim on the suicide note itself.


I can see "if's" are included, but I can't see anywhere where it's claimed "We have in our possession a suicide note". Nor did Kineally state that "Because of the discovery of a suicide note there is evidence that Sheila was responsible". It looks to me more like a manipulation of words.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 02, 2020, 03:07:02 PM

I can see "if's" are included, but I can't see anywhere where it's claimed "We have in our possession a suicide note". Nor did Kineally state that "Because of the discovery of a suicide note there is evidence that Sheila was responsible". It looks to me more like a manipulation of words.

Now wouldn't be odd for this case?  @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 02, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Now wouldn't be odd for this case?  @)(++(* @)(++(*



In which nothing is what it first appears, starting with the suicide tableau?
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 02, 2020, 04:28:23 PM


In which nothing is what it first appears, starting with the suicide tableau?

I can't understand why just this exert was published - there is clearly more to it but if they have that much, they must have the rest. Even more bizarre, Bamber said that the statement is still withheld but the CT said it was released in 2011. Why don't they ever get their story straight?
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 02, 2020, 04:51:39 PM
I can't understand why just this exert was published - there is clearly more to it but if they have that much, they must have the rest. Even more bizarre, Bamber said that the statement is still withheld but the CT said it was released in 2011. Why don't they ever get their story straight?


If you add the phrase "With the benefit of a suicide note............" to what DS Jones stated to Metropolitan Police, it has a very different connotation.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 02, 2020, 07:46:02 PM

If you add the phrase "With the benefit of a suicide note............" to what DS Jones stated to Metropolitan Police, it has a very different connotation.


It will certainly be something like that!!
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 02, 2020, 07:48:04 PM

It will certainly be something like that!!

Or - we thought the note in the bible might be a suicide note.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 02, 2020, 08:02:49 PM
Or - we thought the note in the bible might be a suicide note.



You mean June's notes for her bible class?
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 02, 2020, 09:22:13 PM


You mean June's notes for her bible class?

Yes, the note in the bible, not sure that it was from a class, she apparently like to write inspirational notes and that was one of them.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 02, 2020, 09:29:54 PM
Yes, the note in the bible, not sure that it was from a class, she apparently like to write inspirational notes and that was one of them.


Wasn't the text "Love one another"? It would make a good "Discuss" topic for a bible class, but it could just as easily have been a personal aide de memoire.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 02, 2020, 09:41:06 PM

Wasn't the text "Love one another"? It would make a good "Discuss" topic for a bible class, but it could just as easily have been a personal aide de memoire.

The text was;

‘Love one another. A determination always to act in the others’ best interest, whether we feel good or not, whether we like them or not. It is an act of will, commandment to obey. Be determined to be loving and kind to every person you meet whether you like them or not. Lord Jesus in Thy mercy, teach me to love for Thy name’s sake, help me to live and speak as a Christian, no matter what others may think.’

Source - Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 408).
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 02, 2020, 10:00:34 PM
The text was;

‘Love one another. A determination always to act in the others’ best interest, whether we feel good or not, whether we like them or not. It is an act of will, commandment to obey. Be determined to be loving and kind to every person you meet whether you like them or not. Lord Jesus in Thy mercy, teach me to love for Thy name’s sake, help me to live and speak as a Christian, no matter what others may think.’

Source - Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 408).


I find that really sad. It speaks of someone who struggles on a daily basis to fulfill what she believes is expected -demanded- of her.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 03, 2020, 12:12:12 AM

I find that really sad. It speaks of someone who struggles on a daily basis to fulfill what she believes is expected -demanded- of her.

Not a suicide note though. Also, this note is supposed to be withheld and yet we know what it says.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on March 03, 2020, 06:55:44 AM
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2020/03/reflections-on-recent-media.html?m=1

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/police-hid-jeremy-bambers-sister-21377938

In the blog, Bamber states that the DS Jones statement about a suicide note was only discovered about a year ago and has never been shown to the defence. However, the Daily Star article has the CT claiming;

"Representatives for Bamber say police statements prove the existence of a "suicide note" and claim its existence was overlooked by Essex Police officers.

The campaign claims the defence was only made aware of the existence of a suicide note when Metropolitan Interview recordings were released in 2011"

These tapes/statements MUST have been released otherwise how can the CT and Bamber quote from them? Interesting that only a partial quote is given - enough to spark interest - but nothing more.

Also Bamber claims that EP don't dispute the claim of the suicide note but the Daily Star states that they don't dispute (nor presumably confirm) that the 'statement' exists not the claim on the suicide note itself.



Typical psychopathic mainipulation and distortion of the truth

The Daily Star (trash newspaper) never said there was a suicide bore from Sheila saying “I’ve killed myself”

They’re repeating what the police told them about JUNE’S note that says “love one another”

Thick supporters won’t read that, though...
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 07, 2020, 04:55:32 PM
Just to prove that this suicide note claim isn't new, it was being talked about on the blue forum as early as 2017 - Bamber said it was only discovered about a year ago. As usual, all this hangs on the word 'note'. However, it is interesting that what was said prior to "What you've got to remember is ....." not quoted.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8538.msg406770.html#msg406770
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 07, 2020, 05:04:01 PM
Just to prove that this suicide note claim isn't new, it was being talked about on the blue forum as early as 2017 - Bamber said it was only discovered about a year ago. As usual, all this hangs on the word 'note'. However, it is interesting that what was said prior to "What you've got to remember is ....." not quoted.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8538.msg406770.html#msg406770

Bill Robertson has also claimed this was only discovered a year ago and yet HE wrote the above document posted on the blue forum in 2017  @)(++(* @)(++(* - something not quite right here!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10215.msg478515.html#msg478515

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10215.msg478525.html#msg478525
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 07, 2020, 05:14:07 PM


Typical psychopathic mainipulation and distortion of the truth

The Daily Star (trash newspaper) never said there was a suicide bore from Sheila saying “I’ve killed myself”

They’re repeating what the police told them about JUNE’S note that says “love one another”

Thick supporters won’t read that, though...


Particularly bad grammar for a woman educated privately, don't you think? She very clearly hadn't killed herself. Had she, how would it have been possible for her to commit to paper the words "I've killed myself"? Surely, prior to killing herself, she'd have written "I intend to kill myself"? EVEN "I'm going to be with my children and my parents"?
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Myster on March 07, 2020, 05:28:48 PM

Particularly bad grammar for a woman educated privately, don't you think? She very clearly hadn't killed herself. Had she, how would it have been possible for her to commit to paper the words "I've killed myself"? Surely, prior to killing herself, she'd have written "I intend to kill myself"? EVEN "I'm going to be with my children and my parents"?
Look no further, a Spirit Box will reveal the truth once and for all  *%87 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMPBrN2wFIU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMPBrN2wFIU)

https://www.ghoststop.com/Spirit-Box-B-PSB7-EVP-for-ITC-p/evp-psb7.htm (https://www.ghoststop.com/Spirit-Box-B-PSB7-EVP-for-ITC-p/evp-psb7.htm)
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 07, 2020, 05:45:58 PM
Look no further, a Spirit Box will reveal the truth once and for all  *%87 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMPBrN2wFIU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMPBrN2wFIU)

https://www.ghoststop.com/Spirit-Box-B-PSB7-EVP-for-ITC-p/evp-psb7.htm (https://www.ghoststop.com/Spirit-Box-B-PSB7-EVP-for-ITC-p/evp-psb7.htm)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrZRrzfMF3o  @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 07, 2020, 05:47:57 PM
Look no further, a Spirit Box will reveal the truth once and for all  *%87 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMPBrN2wFIU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMPBrN2wFIU)

https://www.ghoststop.com/Spirit-Box-B-PSB7-EVP-for-ITC-p/evp-psb7.htm (https://www.ghoststop.com/Spirit-Box-B-PSB7-EVP-for-ITC-p/evp-psb7.htm)


Similar appalling grammar as the 'suicide note' -"could of", rather than "could have", "there" instead of "they're"- sounds like someone who knows their way round entrances other than regular ones.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: adam on March 07, 2020, 05:51:16 PM
Sherlock came onto the Blue forum and posted 'Sherlock has solved the case'.  David posted his 'forensic evidence breakthrough' thread but would not say what it was. Roch said he has seen evidence that shows Jeremy is definately innocent. But would not say what or where it was. Mike said he has a photo of Sheila on the bed which is with his legal advisors.

All these were years ago & Jeremy is still in prison.

So it is good when Bill appears every few months to clarify things. Looking forward to his book.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Brietta on March 07, 2020, 08:28:07 PM

I find that really sad. It speaks of someone who struggles on a daily basis to fulfill what she believes is expected -demanded- of her.

I don't read it like that.  I think it was a lesson written in appropriate language for a bible class with a target audience of children.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 07, 2020, 09:07:49 PM
I don't read it like that.  I think it was a lesson written in appropriate language for a bible class with a target audience of children.


To the best of my knowledge, June 'chaired' evening bible classes. She didn't teach Sunday school.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Brietta on March 07, 2020, 09:43:24 PM

To the best of my knowledge, June 'chaired' evening bible classes. She didn't teach Sunday school.

Whatever.
It still does not suggest to me anything like the meaning you took from it.

To me it reads as a reaffirmation of much of what is good about the Christian faith.  I don't see it as the words and thoughts of a person at conflict with that faith, herself or with others.
I don't read it as a struggle with self esteem ... I read it as something to be shared with others whether that might be with a Sunday school class of children or as you say an evening bible class.

If it was in the bible it may well have been as a bookmark for the passage to be discussed.  I don't think there is any deeper esoteric significance than that.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 07, 2020, 10:23:20 PM
Whatever.
It still does not suggest to me anything like the meaning you took from it.

To me it reads as a reaffirmation of much of what is good about the Christian faith.  I don't see it as the words and thoughts of a person at conflict with that faith, herself or with others.
I don't read it as a struggle with self esteem ... I read it as something to be shared with others whether that might be with a Sunday school class of children or as you say an evening bible class.

If it was in the bible it may well have been as a bookmark for the passage to be discussed.  I don't think there is any deeper esoteric significance than that.


Thank-you for your opinion.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on March 08, 2020, 08:11:40 AM
Yes, the note in the bible, not sure that it was from a class, she apparently like to write inspirational notes and that was one of them.


That note was written by June (I guarantee handwriting analysis would prove that); it was in her Bible and in HER bedroom

Further, that certainly wasn’t written by someone suicidal and in a psychotic rage

Bamber and his team are just desperate to distort — it’s disgraceful

None of them seem to have any logic. As if Sheila would write in that style “being good to people” and using antiquated words such as “thy” when she was going berserk and about to kill everyone! And then slipped it inside June’s Bible in HER bedroom...it’s utterly insane

It isn’t even a suicide note!

And it sent “new evidence”: it was photographed on the day of the murders.

Jeremy Bamber is like a dog with a bone trying anything possible to worm his way to yet another appeal, along with that other “new evidence” re: the police phone log, which was dealt with at his LAST attempt to appeal in 2011?

No wonder the courts are sick to the teeth of him
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on March 08, 2020, 08:18:49 AM

Similar appalling grammar as the 'suicide note' -"could of", rather than "could have", "there" instead of "they're"- sounds like someone who knows their way round entrances other than regular ones.


Has anyone actually seen this alleged suicide note?

I’m beginning to wonder if it’s a forgery by one of his team

As you rightly point out, Sheila wouldn’t have made such atrocious spelling errors, and neither would June have...
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on March 08, 2020, 08:20:30 AM
Sherlock came onto the Blue forum and posted 'Sherlock has solved the case'.  David posted his 'forensic evidence breakthrough' thread but would not say what it was. Roch said he has seen evidence that shows Jeremy is definately innocent. But would not say what or where it was. Mike said he has a photo of Sheila on the bed which is with his legal advisors.

All these were years ago & Jeremy is still in prison.

So it is good when Bill appears every few months to clarify things. Looking forward to his book.


David sounds either mad or thick
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 08, 2020, 12:54:50 PM

That note was written by June (I guarantee handwriting analysis would prove that); it was in her Bible and in HER bedroom

Further, that certainly wasn’t written by someone suicidal and in a psychotic rage

Bamber and his team are just desperate to distort — it’s disgraceful

None of them seem to have any logic. As if Sheila would write in that style “being good to people” and using antiquated words such as “thy” when she was going berserk and about to kill everyone! And then slipped it inside June’s Bible in HER bedroom...it’s utterly insane

It isn’t even a suicide note!

And it sent “new evidence”: it was photographed on the day of the murders.

Jeremy Bamber is like a dog with a bone trying anything possible to worm his way to yet another appeal, along with that other “new evidence” re: the police phone log, which was dealt with at his LAST attempt to appeal in 2011?

No wonder the courts are sick to the teeth of him

Yep, I know all of that, but the CT have suggested that it was a suicide note in the past.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on March 09, 2020, 05:29:22 AM
Yep, I know all of that, but the CT have suggested that it was a suicide note in the past.


Yes, I know you do — sorry, my grammar was poor in that post

Whatever, that certainly isn’t a suicide note, so they’re making themselves look idiotic

Sheila wasn’t suicidal, anyway

If anything, she was so, so happy at having recently found her natural mother and was also friendly with her mother’s brother. She was looking forward to the future, despite her medication and MH problems

Colin Caffell said Sheila was like a different person when with her natural mother and I wonder if much of her problems were due to June’s overbearing personality.

She was also unhappy with Jeremy and actually refused to speak to him on the phone just days before, so except for Nevill who Sheila adored I suspect many of her problems were caused by June and possibly Jeremy. He may well have given her drugs too..he grew them illegally, and would’ve known they were harmful to her

But that aside, she clearly wasn’t depressed or suicidal. She’d worn make-up that very day which depressed people never do; her nails were beautifully manicured; she ate her dinner; put the boys to bed as normal — leaving them orange juice on their bedside table

She had her cosmetics out on the bed next to hers, had bought the twins new jeans that very day, bought tampons as her period had just started...

All of those things added together shows she wasn’t one iota suicidal.

Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 09, 2020, 07:34:59 AM

Yes, I know you do — sorry, my grammar was poor in that post

Whatever, that certainly isn’t a suicide note, so they’re making themselves look idiotic

Sheila wasn’t suicidal, anyway

If anything, she was so, so happy at having recently found her natural mother and was also friendly with her mother’s brother. She was looking forward to the future, despite her medication and MH problems

Colin Caffell said Sheila was like a different person when with her natural mother and I wonder if much of her problems were due to June’s overbearing personality.

She was also unhappy with Jeremy and actually refused to speak to him on the phone just days before, so except for Nevill who Sheila adored I suspect many of her problems were caused by June and possibly Jeremy. He may well have given her drugs too..he grew them illegally, and would’ve known they were harmful to her

But that aside, she clearly wasn’t depressed or suicidal. She’d worn make-up that very day which depressed people never do; her nails were beautifully manicured; she ate her dinner; put the boys to bed as normal — leaving them orange juice on their bedside table

She had her cosmetics out on the bed next to hers, had bought the twins new jeans that very day, bought tampons as her period had just started...

All of those things added together shows she wasn’t one iota suicidal.


I'm afraid we differ here regarding Sheila's mental state. I believe she was depressed. I agree that she'd been overjoyed to meet Christine, in whom she may have believed she'd found a kindred spirit/mirror image? I agree that her natural vivacity would have been crushed by June's uncompromising values and I can't help but feel that her initial euphoria at meeting Christine would have quickly dissipated if she hadn't received a speedy follow up, perhaps in the form of an invitation for her to visit. She may possibly have felt that there was no escape from June.

The picture you paint of her is very different from that which CAL paints of her during her last fortnight. CAL has her, as do I, as being seriously depressed. She'd certainly made an effort for the party, but from her behaviour there it was almost as if the effort of doing so had sucked the life out of her. Colin says she was totally silent on the journey to WHF. She was listless and lethargic -we have June's testimony for it- during her stay. Killing require huge mental energy. Because I believe her to have been depressed, I believe she'd have lacked the energy necessary for it.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 09, 2020, 01:04:52 PM

I'm afraid we differ here regarding Sheila's mental state. I believe she was depressed. I agree that she'd been overjoyed to meet Christine, in whom she may have believed she'd found a kindred spirit/mirror image? I agree that her natural vivacity would have been crushed by June's uncompromising values and I can't help but feel that her initial euphoria at meeting Christine would have quickly dissipated if she hadn't received a speedy follow up, perhaps in the form of an invitation for her to visit. She may possibly have felt that there was no escape from June.

The picture you paint of her is very different from that which CAL paints of her during her last fortnight. CAL has her, as do I, as being seriously depressed. She'd certainly made an effort for the party, but from her behaviour there it was almost as if the effort of doing so had sucked the life out of her. Colin says she was totally silent on the journey to WHF. She was listless and lethargic -we have June's testimony for it- during her stay. Killing require huge mental energy. Because I believe her to have been depressed, I believe she'd have lacked the energy necessary for it.

There is a massive difference between depressed and suicidal though Jane. I think she was depressed but mainly due to her meds and feeling tired all of the time - which is a side effect of Haloperidol. Much of the way she was was due to her medication - the injections are stronger than the pills - possibly due to the slow release aspect.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 09, 2020, 01:16:37 PM
There is a massive difference between depressed and suicidal though Jane. I think she was depressed but mainly due to her meds and feeling tired all of the time - which is a side effect of Haloperidol. Much of the way she was was due to her medication - the injections are stronger than the pills - possibly due to the slow release aspect.


As her meeting with, and subsequent parting from, Christine, roughly coincided with the start of her Haloperidol by injection programme, we'll never have a definitive answer. Whichever the case, depression doesn't automatically lead to suicide.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 09, 2020, 01:31:45 PM

As her meeting with, and subsequent parting from, Christine, roughly coincided with the start of her Haloperidol by injection programme, we'll never have a definitive answer. Whichever the case, depression doesn't automatically lead to suicide.

I have read previously that there were no plans made for her to meet Christine again and that she (Christine) didn't tell her family about Sheila. However, this isn't true, she wrote regularly and Christine's husband knew all about Sheila (although at that point, her children didn't). They were in the first stages of contact but it went well and they were looking forward to getting to know each other. We know they were in regular contact because Peter Jay (her uncle) identified many letters to and from Christine. It was just the start of the relationship - not the end.

I guess we also need to take into account that (for arguments sake), this wouldn't have been just a suicide, it would have been 4 murders also - all committed by a woman who complained that she couldn't function on her current dose of medication.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on March 09, 2020, 02:29:00 PM
I have read previously that there were no plans made for her to meet Christine again and that she (Christine) didn't tell her family about Sheila. However, this isn't true, she wrote regularly and Christine's husband knew all about Sheila (although at that point, her children didn't). They were in the first stages of contact but it went well and they were looking forward to getting to know each other. We know they were in regular contact because Peter Jay (her uncle) identified many letters to and from Christine. It was just the start of the relationship - not the end.

I guess we also need to take into account that (for arguments sake), this wouldn't have been just a suicide, it would have been 4 murders also - all committed by a woman who complained that she couldn't function on her current dose of medication.

So Sheila should have been in a place where she was ecstatic? Didn't Colin say he'd not seen her like it since the day she gave birth to the twins, and wasn't there something about them all happily playing with the twins on the floor? Only so recently out of hospital, she was clearly feeling well and life must have been looking good.

 For someone with such low self esteem as Sheila, perhaps she found it hard to have faith in that Christine, once she left, wanted to continue their relationship? She must have gone downhill very quickly -suddenly?- to have arrived at the place she appeared to be by late July, her last fortnight of life, barely able to attend to her personal hygiene, let alone summon the energy to commit murder.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on March 09, 2020, 03:04:50 PM
So Sheila should have been in a place where she was ecstatic? Didn't Colin say he'd not seen her like it since the day she gave birth to the twins, and wasn't there something about them all happily playing with the twins on the floor? Only so recently out of hospital, she was clearly feeling well and life must have been looking good.

 For someone with such low self esteem as Sheila, perhaps she found it hard to have faith in that Christine, once she left, wanted to continue their relationship? She must have gone downhill very quickly -suddenly?- to have arrived at the place she appeared to be by late July, her last fortnight of life, barely able to attend to her personal hygiene, let alone summon the energy to commit murder.

Having had experience of a relative on Haloperidol - I believe her condition was down to the effects of the drug. It's what she complained about and her condition (lack of enegry etc.) is exactly what I also observed in my relative.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on March 09, 2020, 04:12:04 PM

I'm afraid we differ here regarding Sheila's mental state. I believe she was depressed. I agree that she'd been overjoyed to meet Christine, in whom she may have believed she'd found a kindred spirit/mirror image? I agree that her natural vivacity would have been crushed by June's uncompromising values and I can't help but feel that her initial euphoria at meeting Christine would have quickly dissipated if she hadn't received a speedy follow up, perhaps in the form of an invitation for her to visit. She may possibly have felt that there was no escape from June.

The picture you paint of her is very different from that which CAL paints of her during her last fortnight. CAL has her, as do I, as being seriously depressed. She'd certainly made an effort for the party, but from her behaviour there it was almost as if the effort of doing so had sucked the life out of her. Colin says she was totally silent on the journey to WHF. She was listless and lethargic -we have June's testimony for it- during her stay. Killing require huge mental energy. Because I believe her to have been depressed, I believe she'd have lacked the energy necessary for it.



I don’t disagree with you that Sheila was indeed quiet, listless, sapped of energy and yes, appeared depressed, but I suspect it was her medication that was draining her of all energy and zest, and that was why she was so tired, weary and down. Yes, that would make anyone feel depressed, and she probably did feel very low, but she wasn’t depressed to the extent where couldn’t get out of bed, wash herself, apply make-up, have her nails manicured, have a new hairstyle etc...

There was nothing she did that day that was out the normal for her given the effects of her medication, and nothing to suggest she was suicidal.

Going by her character, which everyone said was pleasant & sweet-natured, and that she was devoted to her twins, if she had harboured suicidal thoughts — that rules out her going berserk and wanting to kill the very people she adored. She’d have taken her life alone at Maida Vale.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on March 09, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Having had experience of a relative on Haloperidol - I believe her condition was down to the effects of the drug. It's what she complained about and her condition (lack of enegry etc.) is exactly what I also observed in my relative.


I agree that Sheila’s medication was totally unsuitable for her, and it completely floored her, hence why she was so weak, listless, down, and so tired

That would make anyone feel depressed even if they weren’t suffering from clinical depression

But what this all proves, too, is that Sheila was mentally — and physically — incapable of overpowering Nevill and beating him to a pulp when she could barely put one foot in front of the other due to the medication. She’d effectively been turned into a weak, trembling zombie.

She was completely burnt out, and you can guarantee when she went to bed that night she probably almost collapsed into a very deep sleep.
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Nicholas on April 23, 2020, 08:49:33 AM
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2020/03/reflections-on-recent-media.html?m=1

In the blog, Bamber states

“I know that others looking in on our lives could feel envious”
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Nicholas on April 23, 2020, 09:00:54 AM
“Sheila and I did not, because mum and dad made sure that as we were growing up, that we were grateful for our good fortune, because they knew that no one likes people who are boashut upl”

Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Nicholas on April 23, 2020, 09:06:43 AM
“I was stunned to find that there was no mention of my Mum in their recent article “

https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/search/label/CCRC
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Nicholas on April 23, 2020, 09:22:36 AM
“This will come after footage of prisoner Luke Mitchell, convicted of killing Jodi Jones, passing a lie detector test was placed onto you tube with permission from The Ministry of Justice.  During my time in prison I have met no other prisoners maintaining innocence who are willing to sit the test and I believe that it will go a long way to helping Mitchell with his innocence campaign”

https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2013/02/new-submissions-to-criminal-cases.html


“The range of books in the library is very limited; you won’t find the latest books by Michael Naughton, or guidance on preparing your casework”

https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2014/10/difficult-first-steps-towards-proving.html
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Nicholas on April 23, 2020, 10:04:17 AM
In Bamber’s Nov 2013 blog headed, ‘28th Anniversary of being Wrongly Convicted’

There’s a link to what’s been referred to as, ‘Lords this week on theWhole Life Sentence’

In Column 1489 of the publication, ironically it states,

“No one has the right to own a gun—it is a privilege—and those who do so have a duty to behave responsibly,

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201314/ldhansrd/text/131029-0001.htm#13102966000680
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on April 23, 2020, 12:09:40 PM
“Sheila and I did not, because mum and dad made sure that as we were growing up, that we were grateful for our good fortune, because they knew that no one likes people who are boashut upl”


The irony....
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on April 23, 2020, 01:27:19 PM
“Sheila and I did not, because mum and dad made sure that as we were growing up, that we were grateful for our good fortune, because they knew that no one likes people who are boashut upl”

Hmmmm, it would seem that The Parable Of The Rich Fool might be apt here. I wonder if. June ever mentioned it to Bamber - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+12&version=NIV
Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: APRIL on April 23, 2020, 03:00:47 PM
Hmmmm, it would seem that The Parable Of The Rich Fool might be apt here. I wonder if. June ever mentioned it to Bamber - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+12&version=NIV


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Title: Re: Bamber Blog
Post by: Caroline on April 23, 2020, 03:33:55 PM

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