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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: ferryman on June 06, 2013, 01:05:55 PM
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In his El Mundo interview, why did Amaral lie when he said:
We talked about death by others, not murder
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In his El Mundo interview, why did Amaral lie when he said:
We talked about death by others, not murder
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Do you have a link to the original El Mundo article, Ferryman?
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http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/09/gonalo-amaral-in-el-mundo-gerry-mccann.html
Sic:
Q - What do you think that could have happened that night?
A - Both the British and Portuguese police, and even the prosecutor, who has already changed his mind, thought the same. We talked about death by others, not murder. In the room blood and cadaver odour was found just below a window where a sofa was. The father was talking to a friend just outside that window for a while. The girl did not have a a heavy sleep, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and climbed to the sofa bellow the window. But the parents, for the girl not to go out,moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.
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There are so many lies/misunderstandings in that article, I don't even know where to start....
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http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/09/gonalo-amaral-in-el-mundo-gerry-mccann.html
Sic:
Q - What do you think that could have happened that night?
A - Both the British and Portuguese police, and even the prosecutor, who has already changed his mind, thought the same. We talked about death by others, not murder. In the room blood and cadaver odour was found just below a window where a sofa was. The father was talking to a friend just outside that window for a while. The girl did not have a a heavy sleep, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and climbed to the sofa bellow the window. But the parents, for the girl not to go out,moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.
Most of the original article seems to have disappeared or is behind a paywall, so I can't verify what the original phrase was.
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Why do you doubt that the original question was:
What do you think could have happened that night?
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Most of the original article seems to have disappeared or is behind a paywall, so I can't verify what the original phrase was.
El Mundo is not a pay-site so I'm not quite sure where you get the idea from that anything is behind a pay wall?
Besides, it's been translated
Actually, from the site, you may be able to pull out the Portuguese original?
http://www.elmundo.net/poltica//deben-hispanos-dar-el-voto-a-horsford-congresista-xavier-becerra.html#.UbCrkUDFWtk
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Not that it matters, but El Mundo is a pay site, if you want to read the article in it's entirety, you need to subscribe.
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Not that it matters, but El Mundo is a pay site, if you want to read the article in it's entirety, you need to subscribe.
Ah OK
Thank you.
I stand corrected.
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Most of the original article seems to have disappeared or is behind a paywall, so I can't verify what the original phrase was.
http://mercedessigueaqui.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/caso-madeleine-mccann-gerry-mccann.html
I believe this is the relevant part, see link for whole article
P.- ¿Qué es lo que cree que pudo haber sucedido aquella noche?
R.- Tanto la Policía portuguesa como la británica, e incluso el fiscal, que ya ha cambiado de opinión, pensamos lo mismo. Hemos hablado de muerte por terceros, no de homicidio. En la habitación se encontró sangre y olor a cadáver justo debajo de una ventana en la que había un sofá. El padre estuvo un rato hablando con un amigo justo fuera de esa ventana. La niña no tenía un sueño muy pesado, eso lo dijeron los padres. Quizás la niña oyó al padre y se subió al sofá debajo de la ventana. Pero los padres, para que la niña no saliera, lo habían retirado de la pared. Madeleine se pudo haber caído.
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http://mercedessigueaqui.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/caso-madeleine-mccann-gerry-mccann.html
I believe this is the relevant part, see link for whole article
P.- ¿Qué es lo que cree que pudo haber sucedido aquella noche?
R.- Tanto la Policía portuguesa como la británica, e incluso el fiscal, que ya ha cambiado de opinión, pensamos lo mismo. Hemos hablado de muerte por terceros, no de homicidio. En la habitación se encontró sangre y olor a cadáver justo debajo de una ventana en la que había un sofá. El padre estuvo un rato hablando con un amigo justo fuera de esa ventana. La niña no tenía un sueño muy pesado, eso lo dijeron los padres. Quizás la niña oyó al padre y se subió al sofá debajo de la ventana. Pero los padres, para que la niña no saliera, lo habían retirado de la pared. Madeleine se pudo haber caído.
Yes, thanks, seems as if it's been translated accurately ...
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Somehow, in Spanish it's even WORSE....
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Yes, thanks, seems as if it's been translated accurately ...
Can you flesh out your OP a bit? rather too cryptic and with no background info, tia
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Can you flesh out your OP a bit? rather too cryptic and with no background info, tia
There is abundant evidence in the file that they talked about murder.
Mark Harrison offered to write a report considering other scenarios and makes plain that the reports we read consider (sic) solely the possibility of murder.
And all the stuff that was leaked before the files were released about exploration of said murderer dumping Madeleine in 5 minutes were clearly leaks (we now know) from Harrison's report.
Here:
This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz. Other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report.
And here:
In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.
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thanks, I dont see how that differs, isnt mr A sayng they were considering murder by others and not parental?
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thanks, I dont see how that differs, isnt mr A sayng they were considering murder by others and not parental?
From what Amaral says in his book, Harrison is supposed to have hinted Kate and Gerry were responsible.
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Somehow, in Spanish it's even WORSE....
Even worse in what respect, Mrs B.
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Even worse in what respect, Mrs B.
Can't really explain why, the "misinterpretations" of the actual facts just seem more eye popping in Spanish than in English, purely a personal feeling, I guess.
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From what Amaral says in his book, Harrison is supposed to have hinted Kate and Gerry were responsible.
Right, not seen that passage, even if he thought it was hinted, so? The remit was to consider the stranger murder scenario, AFAIAW and dont see anythng strange here at all or lying, but seeing as I have not read that part in the book or Harrisons reports in full I shall leave it here and let others put their opinions in
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El Mundo is not a pay-site so I'm not quite sure where you get the idea from that anything is behind a pay wall?
Besides, it's been translated
Actually, from the site, you may be able to pull out the Portuguese original?
http://www.elmundo.net/poltica//deben-hispanos-dar-el-voto-a-horsford-congresista-xavier-becerra.html#.UbCrkUDFWtk
Well something's odd.
The link to the original of the article (the one you first mentioned) only seems to go as far as the Calpol bit.
P.- Entonces, ¿de qué estamos hablando?
R.- De un accidente. La niña pudo caerse de un sofá, pudo haber un accidente con el Calpol (un somnífero). Nosotros nunca tuvimos acceso a la ficha clínica de la niña, así que no podemos saber si estaba sana o no. Sólo podemos especular. Hay muchos detalles muy raros.
Texto íntegro de este artículo
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http://mercedessigueaqui.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/caso-madeleine-mccann-gerry-mccann.html
I believe this is the relevant part, see link for whole article
P.- ¿Qué es lo que cree que pudo haber sucedido aquella noche?
R.- Tanto la Policía portuguesa como la británica, e incluso el fiscal, que ya ha cambiado de opinión, pensamos lo mismo. Hemos hablado de muerte por terceros, no de homicidio. En la habitación se encontró sangre y olor a cadáver justo debajo de una ventana en la que había un sofá. El padre estuvo un rato hablando con un amigo justo fuera de esa ventana. La niña no tenía un sueño muy pesado, eso lo dijeron los padres. Quizás la niña oyó al padre y se subió al sofá debajo de la ventana. Pero los padres, para que la niña no saliera, lo habían retirado de la pared. Madeleine se pudo haber caído.
Ah. Ok Thanks. Will read.
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Well something's odd.
The link to the original of the article (the one you first mentioned) only seems to go as far as the Calpol bit.
P.- Entonces, ¿de qué estamos hablando?
R.- De un accidente. La niña pudo caerse de un sofá, pudo haber un accidente con el Calpol (un somnífero). Nosotros nunca tuvimos acceso a la ficha clínica de la niña, así que no podemos saber si estaba sana o no. Sólo podemos especular. Hay muchos detalles muy raros.
Texto íntegro de este artículo
As you've pointed out, it's a pay site, so what you can read without paying is only part of the article.
Would that be it?
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That's from September of 2008 & he still hadn't bothered to check the most basic facts "....pudo haber un accidente con el Calpol (un somnífero)."
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Right, not seen that passage, even if he thought it was hinted, so? The remit was to consider the stranger murder scenario, AFAIAW and dont see anythng strange here at all or lying, but seeing as I have not read that part in the book or Harrisons reports in full I shall leave it here and let others put their opinions in
Key part underlined:
It's July. The hypothesis of death, including by the parents, is being seriously considered. However, no lead has yet come to anything, and we find ourselves in a cul-de-sac. We have to re-centre the investigation around its point of departure, apartment 5A at the Ocean Club, in Vila da Luz. We officially request the help of the best experts in criminology and forensics but also the specialist dog team from the English police. A few days later, we welcome Mark Harrison, a specialist in murder, and the search for missing persons and victims of natural disasters. National advisor to the British police, he is well known for his exceptional professional experience. He has already participated in dozens of international criminal investigations.
His work consists of defining new strategies for research. He gets to work immediately, supported by the Portuguese PJ and the investigators from Leicester and Scotland Yard. On his arrival, we place at his disposal details of the case, as well as all our material and human resources. Harrison reads up on the statements and interviews from the principal witnesses - including, of course, those of the parents and friends -, all the analyses, simulations, hypotheses and cross-checking already carried out. He carries out a reconnaissance on the ground, by helicopter and then on foot. He paces the streets and the access roads to Vila da Luz and compares them to the diagrams created in the course of the investigation. Nothing is left to chance: measurement and timing of possible routes between buildings, apartments and restaurants; analyses, with the help of the best specialists, of weather, geological and maritime factors in relation to the investigation; consultation with the best forensic anthropologist in the country, who indicates for us what would be the actual state of the body in the hypothesis of death occurring on May 3rd; study of the region's natural carrion predators. All the research already conducted by hundreds of people - GNR, civil defence, firemen and other volunteers - is re-examined in detail and re-analysed.
After a week of intense work, Harrison presents the results of his study to my coordinating group. Even if we were expecting it, his conclusions confirm our worst fears. The most plausible scenario is the following: there is no doubt that Madeleine is dead, and her body is hidden somewhere in the area around Praia da Luz. He praises the quality of the work carried out by the Portuguese authorities in trying to find the little girl alive. According to him, the time has come to redirect the searches in order to find, this time, a body hidden in the surrounding area.
AMAZING STATISTICS
Great Britain has at its disposal the world's biggest data bank on homicide of children under five years old. Since 1960, the count is 1528. Harrison is well acquainted with its contents. He often draws information from there which helps him to resolve similar cases. Valuable information can be found there on on various criminal modus operandi, places where bodies are hidden, techniques used to get rid of a body. He relates that on one occasion, thanks to the data, he was able to deduce the maximum distance a body might be found in relation to where the crime had been committed.
The figures quoted in the report he hands over give us the shivers. The crimes, including those of a sexual nature, are committed by the parents in 84% of cases; 96% are perpetrated by friends and relatives. In only 4% of them is the murderer or abductor a total stranger to the victim. In this roundabout way, Mark Harrison points out that the guilty party may be a person close to Madeleine, and even her own parents. From now on, we have to explore this track, especially as the others have proved fruitless.
Harrison also suggests that we use the skills of two totally remarkable dogs: the first an EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog), achieves outstanding performance in the detection of human cadaver odour; the second, a CSI dog (Crime Scene Investigation) is capable of smelling the tiniest trace of blood, knowing how to recognise its human origin. To convince us of their capability and the extraordinary work carried out by these very special detectives in the course of over 200 investigations, he screens a video for us, showing their training and their intervention on the ground.
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As you've pointed out, it's a pay site, so what you can read without paying is only part of the article.
Would that be it?
Yes, but Redblossom kindly dug out the relevant bit from a different link.
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Yes, but Redblossom kindly dug out the relevant bit from a different link.
Do you dispute the relevant bit?
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Yes thanks FM for the quote, so? Still doesnt mean anything, just factual statistics to be considered....it would be unprofessional for anyone involved not to, still doesnt prove Mr A was lying about the Harrison guided searches
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Do you dispute the relevant bit?
We talked about death by others, not murder.
Hemos hablado de muerte por terceros, no de homicidio.
No idea. The literal translation seems correct, but what exactly does that mean?
From unrelated legal documents with what would appear to be a reliable translation in view of the sources:
A court has found that you committed or attempted to commit, conspired, helped, or hired someone to commit murder, aggravated manslaughter, or manslaughter of any of your children; or
lsnjlaw.org
Un tribunal determinó que usted cometió o intentó, conspiró, ayudó o contrató a alguien para que cometiera el asesinato, homicidio culposo o el homicidio de uno de sus hijos o
lsnjlaw.org
The four F-FDTL members convicted of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter in the shooting deaths of eight national police in 2006 continued to be held at a military facility rather than a prison.
daccess-ods.un.org
Los cuatro miembros de las F-FDTL, que fueron declarados culpables de homicidio e intento de homicidio por la muerte a tiros de ocho agentes de la policía nacional en 2006, siguieron internados en una instalación militar y no fueron trasladados a una cárcel.
daccess-ods.un.org
A court has found that you committed or attempted to commit, conspired, helped, or hired someone to commit murder, aggravated manslaughter, or manslaughter of any of your children; or
lsnjlaw.org
Un tribunal determinó que usted cometió o intentó, conspiró, ayudó o contrató a alguien para que cometiera el asesinato, homicidio culposo o el homicidio de uno de sus hijos o
lsnjlaw.org
44. Besides its jurisdiction over such cases as murder, manslaughter, malicious or grievous bodily harm, assault occasioning actual bodily harm, stealing, affray and rape, it undertakes civil claims in respect of accident cases and claims for damages for breach of human rights.
daccess-ods.un.org
44. Además de poder intervenir en casos de asesinato, homicidio, lesiones físicas graves o dolosas, agresión con resultado de lesiones físicas, robo, tumulto y violación, el Consejo interpone demandas en casos de accidente y reclama daños y perjuicios cuando se vulneran los derechos humanos.
daccess-ods.un.org
Those crimes include homicide, manslaughter, kidnapping, rape, grand theft, and illegally carrying a firearm.
boell.eu
Estos delitos son homicidio, asesinato, secuestro, violación, robo agravado y portación ilegal de arma de fuego.
boell.eu
A sixth Blackwater member has already pleaded guilty to one count each of manslaughter, attempted manslaughter and aiding and abetting.
daccess-ods.un.org
Un sexto miembro de Blackwater ya se ha declarado culpable de un cargo de homicidio, uno de intento de homicidio y uno de complicidad.
daccess-ods.un.org
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I carried on hunting. "Homicidio" seems to be the generally accepted term for manslaughter.
However, could this doctor ever go on holiday to Ireland, or any other EU country, if Ireland requests extradition on the grounds of manslaughter?
europarl.europa.eu
¿Pero podrá este médico irse algún día de vacaciones a Irlanda o a cualquier otro país de la UE si Irlanda solicita su entrega alegando homicidio?
europarl.europa.eu
So what would "death by others" mean in juxtaposition to manslaughter?
Unless "death by others" was meant to convey the idea of manslaughter and "homicidio" was used to mean murder.
What's left?
It can't mean accident, unless a sofa and a wall were "third parties".
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Yes thanks FM for the quote, so? Still doesnt mean anything, just factual statistics to be considered....it would be unprofessional for anyone involved not to, still doesnt prove Mr A was lying about the Harrison guided searches
Amaral:
We talked about death by others, not murder
Harrison:
This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine has been murdered. Other possibilities or scenarios will be considered on request.
Amaral lied.
And the source of the scurrilous wikipedia leaks is laid bare.
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I carried on hunting. "Homicidio" seems to be the generally accepted term for manslaughter.
However, could this doctor ever go on holiday to Ireland, or any other EU country, if Ireland requests extradition on the grounds of manslaughter?
europarl.europa.eu
¿Pero podrá este médico irse algún día de vacaciones a Irlanda o a cualquier otro país de la UE si Irlanda solicita su entrega alegando homicidio?
europarl.europa.eu
So what would "death by others" mean in juxtaposition to manslaughter?
Unless "death by others" was meant to convey the idea of manslaughter and "homicidio" was used to mean murder.
What's left?
It can't mean accident, unless a sofa and a wall were "third parties".
AFAIK Homicido is the accepted translation of manslaughter, as in Homicidio Involuntario = involuntary manslaughter. But Amaral & his team wasn't really investigating any manslaughter third parties. In fact, what did Amaral investigate, apart from the McCanns & Murat?
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Amaral:
We talked about death by others, not murder
Harrison:
This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine has been murdered. Other possibilities or scenarios will be considered on request.
Amaral lied.
And the source of the scurrilous wikipedia leaks is laid bare.
Not convincing, you are probably getting confused by language nuances and meanings. As for wikileaks, yes, the source was Alexander Ellis memo or somethng was it not? Nothing to do with Amaral
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Not convincing, you are probably getting confused by language nuances and meanings. As for wikileaks, yes, the source was Alexander Ellis memo or somethng was it not? Nothing to do with Amaral
The source was (unauthorised!) leaks from the PJ files.
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Ferryman has a point.
This answer had to be after the dog inspection, and Harrison's remit was to examine the possibility of murder.
So why was this watered down?
Q - What do you think that could have happened that night?
A - Both the British and Portuguese police, and even the prosecutor, who has already changed his mind, thought the same. We talked about death by others, not murder. In the room blood and cadaver odour was found just below a window where a sofa was....
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The source was (unauthorised!) leaks from the PJ files.
Isn't it funny how the "leaking" stopped just as soon as Amaral was taken off the case?
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The source was (unauthorised!) leaks from the PJ files.
The pj leaked info to wikileaks? Do you have a link to that *fact* over and above any leaks by British officials or wikileaks hacking websites and getting it themselves? The point of wikileaks was it wa all ultra confidential info from govt websites, not just leaks from police papers and any tom dick or harry
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Scroll down to page 310.
I will add the relevant parts in edits:
http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20WiltshireOperationHavenRedacted%2020081112%20JN.pdf
I will add the rest in a further edit:
1045hrs – CO POWER receives a call from
DCO HARPER telling him about the first ‘find’.
1045hrs – A freelance journalist is found in the back
field of Haut de la Garenne.
1045hrs – DCO HARPER makes the decision to
release information to the press about the ‘find’.
1101hrs – CO POWER e-mails Wendy KINNARD,
Andrew LEWIS, Bill OGLEY, Frank WALKER (cc
DCO HARPER) regarding abuse enquiry publicity,
stating ‘all, this is to let you know that we have had
a well informed media enquiry from the UK in
relation to the above. In consultation with the
DCO and in the interests of fair relations with the
local media an announcement is likely to be made
soon. The announcement will confirm that acting on
the basis of information gained during the enquiry
the investigation team, assisted by experts from the
UK, have been undertaking a forensic examination
of the former home at HDLG. This search has
revealed what appear to be the human remains of a
child. The search is continuing’.
1145hrs – DCO HARPER writes out what he wants
the press release to contain. This is copied
verbatim by OFFICER X and reads as follows
‘on Tuesday 19 February as a result of
information received during the Historic Abuse
Enquiry, States of Jersey Police commenced an
exploratory search of the former care home at Haut
de la Garenne… At 09:30 hrs today, what appears
to be potential remains of a child have been
recovered. The investigation continues. A press
conference is to be arranged in due course and you
will receive notification accordingly’.
1245hrs – CO POWER arrives on site at Haut de la
Garenne.
1305hrs – OFFICER X begins to circulate
press release to local media.
1336hrs – CO POWER leaves Haut de la Garenne.
1400hrs – A press conference takes place on site,
during which Exhibit JAR/6 is disclosed as being the
potential remains of a child.
1500hrs – Within the media strategy policy file
DCO HARPER records Decision 9, to update the
media on a daily basis, either by release through
Press Officer or by briefing.
1605hrs – X receives a phone call from
DCO HARPER at Haut de la Garenne asking for
mentoring advice
26 February 2008 A statement is made by the Chief Minister to the
States, Terry LE-SUEUR committing to provide
necessary and efficient resources to the
investigation. ERROR- This should be FRANK
WALKER
Page 311 of 383 The Council of Ministers make a further statement
declaring that they will do everything necessary to
support and work with the investigating team.
29 February 2008 CO POWER and X sign terms of
reference in regard the ACPO Homicide Working
Group mentoring/advice team to support Operation
Rectangle.
1 March 2008 The media strategy for Operation Rectangle is
created.
Appendix 1 Highly Confidential – Personal
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rubbish
But thanks
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rubbish
But thanks
Thanks for that profound comment. It really explains everything.
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Thanks for that profound comment. It really explains everything.
Yes, can we have a link please, so that we can elaborate further.
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In an e-mail to OFFICER X
and others, CO POWER states ‘my
understanding of the rules is that we should not
commit to non budgeted expenditure until the
proposition is passed by the States’.
X completes X report in respect of
Exhibit JAR/6. In it X states that the sample was
not bone and not human, appearing instead to be
more like part of a large seed casing or part of
something like a small piece of coconut
1052hrs – Confirmation is given by the LGC
Forensics that they had sent letter to
DCO HARPER. They then agree to e-mail the letter
to X .
1522hrs – An e-mail is sent from DCO HARPER to
X asking specifically if X is
comfortable for DCO HARPER to state publicly that
Exhibit JAR/6 is not bone to which X replies
affirmatively
Further edit:
With thanks to Carana, not only for finding the link, but also for finding where, in a very long document, the point is explicitly made that JAR/6 was a coconut.
I'm bound to concede that her proffered explanations of how Eddie might have come to alert to a coconut were less kind to my stomach ulcers.
I digress ....
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In an e-mail to OFFICER X
and others, CO POWER states ‘my
understanding of the rules is that we should not
commit to non budgeted expenditure until the
proposition is passed by the States’.
X completes X report in respect of
Exhibit JAR/6. In it X states that the sample was
not bone and not human, appearing instead to be
more like part of a large seed casing or part of
something like a small piece of coconut
1052hrs – Confirmation is given by the LGC
Forensics that they had sent letter to
DCO HARPER. They then agree to e-mail the letter
to X .
1522hrs – An e-mail is sent from DCO HARPER to
X asking specifically if X is
comfortable for DCO HARPER to state publicly that
Exhibit JAR/6 is not bone to which X replies
affirmatively
So, basically, what we've been saying all along, Eddie the dog alerted to a Coconut or, if you prefer, a "large seed casing". I.e. He was talented in more ways then one, he alternatively could be used to trace missing cadavers or lost fruit & veg. Marvelous!
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@ Ferryman, I'm really sorry that I have contributed to your ulcers. I didn't mean to. 8()-000(
Seriously, I doubt that he really reacted to a coconut, but to something unrelated near or on it.
It was no doubt worth investigating in case it had been a skull fragment... but - as it turned out - it simply wasn't what the humans had assumed.
A question following on from a point you made about pre-screening. The original location may have been a general sniffing area. However, was Eddie given the opportunity to sniff it again in a pre-screened area?
If he did, it may have eliminated a reaction near it, but it still wouldn't have eliminated a smell that may have been on it.
I haven't gone back to double-check, but I don't recall a control test.
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Isn't it funny how the "leaking" stopped just as soon as Amaral was taken off the case?
Isn't it funny that The Prosecutor changed his mind?
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@ Ferryman, I'm really sorry that I have contributed to your ulcers. I didn't mean to. 8()-000(
Seriously, I doubt that he really reacted to a coconut, but to something unrelated near or on it.
It was no doubt worth investigating in case it had been a skull fragment... but - as it turned out - it simply wasn't what the humans had assumed.
A question following on from a point you made about pre-screening. The original location may have been a general sniffing area. However, was Eddie given the opportunity to sniff it again in a pre-screened area?
If he did, it may have eliminated a reaction near it, but it still wouldn't have eliminated a smell that may have been on it.
I haven't gone back to double-check, but I don't recall a control test.
I would cite the evidence of Grime's undoubted disregard for procedures and protocols in inspections at PdL (the gym, the villa) as evidence that while what you say is technically possible, it's highly unlikely ...
And no, there is no mention in the report of any screening, although I wouldn't necessarily expect there to be, even if there had been screening, because that wouldn't be a part of the brief of the person who wrote that report.
That would be Grime's brief.
But Grime, rather like Jesus, doesn't leave too much in the way of written records.
Not sure I'd want to push the analogy too much further, though ...
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Isn't it funny that The Prosecutor changed his mind?
I think there was one exception, while Rebelo's back was turned attending the rogatory interviews in England, when there was a sudden leak about Kate's revelation that Madeleine cried.
Probably Paivaia leaked that ...
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Yes, well, he was Amaral's mate so that would make sense, & Rebelo had to fly back to Portugal to try to sort out the mess, if I remember correctly.
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But Grime, rather like Jesus, doesn't leave too much in the way of written records.
Not sure I'd want to push the analogy too much further, though ...
What a curious analogy, Ferryman ! Jesus left no written record. And there's even no archaeological evidence he ever existed. He's very likely a conceptual character. There were lots of messiahs at the time.
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What a curious analogy, Ferryman ! Jesus left no written record. And there's even no archaeological evidence he ever existed. He's very likely a conceptual character. There were lots of messiahs at the time.
Jesus did leave one written record, scrawled in the sand ...
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Here is the sort of thing.
Scroll down to the 4th section following ...
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
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So now we have a Question about Jesus Christ whose conception has survived for more than 2000 years. But since this is Off Topic I am really not sure what this has to do with anything.
Martin Grime, however, was perfectly capable of writing in plain English. Very plain English, as it happens.
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Martin Grime, however, was perfectly capable of writing in plain English. Very plain English, as it happens.
When the mood took him, which it did, occasionally ...
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I think there was one exception, while Rebelo's back was turned attending the rogatory interviews in England, when there was a sudden leak about Kate's revelation that Madeleine cried.
Probably Paivaia leaked that ...
I remember that leak.
However, I have no idea whether that was suddenly leaked whilst Rebelo was away or whether it had been leaked earlier on and kept for a rainy day.
There was apparently another leak under Rebelo which I haven't double-checked. I can't think of any others.
And even if they were leaked under Rebelo's leadership, the issue is still minimal compared to the previous situation.