A Room With A View...

[ShiningInLuz]

I would like to know this theory of yours it does sound interesting...


"One simply heads east on the old road to Lagos." who MBM or the couple?

I would hope local garages would have been contacted if this was part of the investigation.

The old road is the M537.  It runs from Burgau in the west, into the centre of Luz, along Rua Direita past the main OC reception, then up to the EN125 junction beside Boa Vista.  One can turn right onto the EN125, to head into Lagos, or stick on the M537, and head into the centre of Lagos that way.

Both options pass the one and only petrol station on the west side of Lagos.

We would never pick a loop around the one-way system in Luz, from the OC, when it is much shorter and easier just to head along the old road.

[misty]

Anyone who may have been "holed up" in G5J that week (the apartment with the rotting food in an open fridge) would have had a good view from their rear balcony of the path leading from Tapas reception along to the bar/restaurant. A pair of binoculars would have been the only item required to observe the target parents entering Tapas at 8.30pm. The occupant would also have had a good view from the landing outside their front door of anyone leaving or accessing the block through the car park.

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[Robittybob1]

Anyone who may have been "holed up" in G5J that week (the apartment with the rotting food in an open fridge) would have had a good view from their rear balcony of the path leading from Tapas reception along to the bar/restaurant. A pair of binoculars would have been the only item required to observe the target parents entering Tapas at 8.30pm. The occupant would also have had a good view from the landing outside their front door of anyone leaving or accessing the block through the car park.

Can you recall when the rotten meat was found?

[barrier]

Can you recall when the rotten meat was found?

10th may,fridge door was found to be open.
The apartment was known to have been unoccupied for sometime.

[Robittybob1]

10th may,fridge door was found to be open.
The apartment was known to have been unoccupied for sometime.

Weird though , but probably not related to the McCann case.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Anyone who may have been "holed up" in G5J that week (the apartment with the rotting food in an open fridge) would have had a good view from their rear balcony of the path leading from Tapas reception along to the bar/restaurant. A pair of binoculars would have been the only item required to observe the target parents entering Tapas at 8.30pm. The occupant would also have had a good view from the landing outside their front door of anyone leaving or accessing the block through the car park.

Great idea Misty, how ever if this was the case why jemmy shutters if they knew the door was left unlocked? We always come back to the parents story.

[Brietta]

Anyone who may have been "holed up" in G5J that week (the apartment with the rotting food in an open fridge) would have had a good view from their rear balcony of the path leading from Tapas reception along to the bar/restaurant. A pair of binoculars would have been the only item required to observe the target parents entering Tapas at 8.30pm. The occupant would also have had a good view from the landing outside their front door of anyone leaving or accessing the block through the car park.

Both GNR dogs followed a path to that door and the reason for that was put down to the fridge contents.  Whatever, it seems that someone left that apartment in a bit of a hurry.
I wonder why the investigators showed little curiosity about why that was and who they were considering a little girl had gone missing from an apartment a few doors away.

[Eleanor]

Great idea Misty, how ever if this was the case why jemmy shutters if they knew the door was left unlocked? We always come back to the parents story.

I don't suppose that you could come up with anything even remotely pertinent, could you?

[misty]

Great idea Misty, how ever if this was the case why jemmy shutters if they knew the door was left unlocked? We always come back to the parents story.

We now know that the shutters weren't jemmied.
The problem with using the patio door was that it was the same door the parents were using when checking on the children.  The patio was bathed in street light and the exit stairs led out onto a road where there could be passers-by.
This wasn't the Hatton Garden heist but planning & intel were required. To me it makes sense that someone secretly observed the Tapas 9 for 2 or 3 days from G5J. Unfortunately we don't know who owned that apartment or who had access to it. We do know that other OC apartments were accessed by burglars, either with or without copy keys, so why not 5A or 5J?

[misty]

Both GNR dogs followed a path to that door and the reason for that was put down to the fridge contents.  Whatever, it seems that someone left that apartment in a bit of a hurry.
I wonder why the investigators showed little curiosity about why that was and who they were considering a little girl had gone missing from an apartment a few doors away.

IMO PJ weren't overly concerned because the apartment was said to have been unoccupied on May 3rd but that's no excuse for not suspecting 5J could be a potential crime scene when the rotting food was found.

[sadie]

Great idea Misty, how ever if this was the case why jemmy shutters if they knew the door was left unlocked? We always come back to the parents story.

Do you ever read anything I write to help you?

Several times I have listed a number of feasible reasons for an abductor to deliberately open the window and shutters

-  Escape route
-  To hide the fact that entry and exit with Madeleine was via an unlocked front door, so OC Personnel involved.
-  To give instructions to the lifter and inspire confidence.
-  To pass things (drugs?) thru to the lifter
-  To confuse the PJ and family, so that the Golden Hours were lost looking for a wandering child rather than an abducted one.  Give impression that Madeleine decided to leave off her own volition and went via te window
-  To enable lifter to keep a better eye open for someone coming.

There were several more.


MODS:  Please could I suggest that if Mistaken (or anuy other poster) repeatedly repeats the same old questions designed IMO to deceive and time waste, then her post be deleted.  And she be penalized.   Thank you.

[faithlilly]

Do you ever read anything I write to help you?

Several times I have listed a number of feasible reasons for an abductor to deliberately open the window and shutters

-  Escape route
-  To hide the fact that entry and exit with Madeleine was via an unlocked front door, so OC Personnel involved.
-  To give instructions to the lifter and inspire confidence.
-  To pass things (drugs?) thru to the lifter
-  To confuse the PJ and family, so that the Golden Hours were lost looking for a wandering child rather than an abducted one.  Give impression that Madeleine decided to leave off her own volition and went via te window
-  To enable lifter to keep a better eye open for someone coming.

There were several more.


MODS:  Please could I suggest that if Mistaken (or anuy other poster) repeatedly repeats the same old questions designed IMO to deceive and time waste, then her post be deleted.  And she be penalized.   Thank you.

You could suggest it but no one will take a blind bit of notice...any quite rightly so.

[sadie]

We now know that the shutters weren't jemmied.
The problem with using the patio door was that it was the same door the parents were using when checking on the children.  The patio was bathed in street light and the exit stairs led out onto a road where there could be passers-by.
This wasn't the Hatton Garden heist but planning & intel were required. To me it makes sense that someone secretly observed the Tapas 9 for 2 or 3 days from G5J. Unfortunately we don't know who owned that apartment or who had access to it. We do know that other OC apartments were accessed by burglars, either with or without copy keys, so why not 5A or 5J?

Hi Misty

Your idea is a good one, but I don't think that the walled walkway to all the Tapas flats was visible to a watcher and most especially the most eastern (5A).

I am not sure that A watcher in 5J could even see any of the Tapas 9, or an abductor, cross the car park even.


It's all to do with the convex shape of the whole block, but additionally the central tower block stands several feet forward of the main block.  I think that this might well block the view of the people walking across the car park to people in 5J.

I have only worked this out from Google Earth  .... and it needs checking.  If there is any interest, would SIL be kind enough to check this  TY.

[misty]

Hi Misty

Your idea is a good one, but I don't think that the walled walkway to all the Tapas flats was visible to a watcher and most especially the most eastern (5A).

I am not sure that A watcher in 5J could even see any of the Tapas 9, or an abductor, cross the car park even.


It's all to do with the convex shape of the whole block, but additionally the central tower block stands several feet forward of the main block.  I think that this might well block the view of the people walking across the car park to people in 5J.

I have only worked this out from Google Earth  .... and it needs checking.  If there is any interest, would SIL be kind enough to check this  TY.

A watcher didn't need to have direct sight of the walled walkway imo, Sadie; he/she only needed to watch the people crossing the car park to the exit or from the exit to the central access area. None of the Tapas 9 were residing in the western end of Block 5 & I'm not sure anyone else was either.
If you watch the first 15secs of this video you can see the balcony & potential view from it.
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-of-gerry-and-kate-mccann-departing-the-news-footage/487715646?adppopup=true

[Robittybob1]

A watcher didn't need to have direct sight of the walled walkway imo, Sadie; he/she only needed to watch the people crossing the car park to the exit or from the exit to the central access area. None of the Tapas 9 were residing in the western end of Block 5 & I'm not sure anyone else was either.
If you watch the first 15secs of this video you can see the balcony & potential view from it.
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-of-gerry-and-kate-mccann-departing-the-news-footage/487715646?adppopup=true

So they would be only checking one side of the apartment block at a time?