A Room With A View...

[sadie]

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So you’re condemning April’s mother’s decision?


No.

Here I must disagree with you Engarth.

I personally think it was a very bad decision to allow a five year old to play, in the dark, ACROSS A MAIN ROAD, with a handful of other kids.



And then poor Ben Needham,

... allowed to play on waste land type terrain (I believe) aged two, with a giant hydraulic earth moving tractor operating.   Crazy.

He loved cars and would be fascinated by such a huge vehicle with all its moving parts, having died en route..  We don't know, do we? but I fear that his end was being tipped in another place



We all make mistakes however, and the carers must be forgiven imo.  They have learned their lesson in a dreadful way.

[faithlilly]

Here I must disagree with you Engarth.

I personally think it was a very bad decision to allow a five year old to play, in the dark, ACROSS A MAIN ROAD, with a handful of other kids.



And then poor Ben Needham,

... allowed to play on waste land type terrain (I believe) aged two, with a giant hydraulic earth moving tractor operating.   Crazy.

He loved cars and would be fascinated by such a huge vehicle with all its moving parts, having died en route..  We don't know, do we? but I fear that his end was being tipped in another place



We all make mistakes however, and the carers must be forgiven imo.  They have learned their lesson in a dreadful way.

The McCanns decision wasn’t a mistake, it was a calculated decision ( see my strap-line ).

[Robittybob1]

The McCanns decision wasn’t a mistake, it was a calculated decision ( see my strap-line ).

What a calculated decision can't ever be a mistake?

[Vertigo Swirl]

What a calculated decision can't ever be a mistake?

Of course it can. 

[faithlilly]

What a calculated decision can't ever be a mistake?

It is the factor missing in the other cases cited.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It is the factor missing in the other cases cited.

Rubbish.  It was a conscious decision by April Jones mother to let her daughter play out a little later than usual.

[sadie]

The McCanns decision wasn’t a mistake, it was a calculated decision ( see my strap-line ).

Ben Needham:

Mum went to work leaving Gran and Gramp tied up with Ben and painting /renovating.  They all must have thought about it.   They made a massive mistake.   A totally wrong decision.

But we are all capable of bad decisions



April Jones

Family allowed a five year old child to play with some other kids ACROSS THE MAIN ROAD, in the dark largely out of sight.   Bad decision.

At times we all make bad decisions, but these families and their little ones have paid the price.




Now I dont want to increase the angst of these parents, so I will back off.




But I do wonder why the Mccanns are always being kicked and pulled down, whilst others are promoted.

[faithlilly]

Rubbish.  It was a conscious decision by April Jones mother to let her daughter play out a little later than usual.

To go out to play is an everyday occurrence. To be left in alone in an insecure apartment with your two baby siblings isn’t.

That they left the children alone in an unfamiliar apartment is bad enough but to then leave the door open for no other reason than their convenience is little short of atrocious.

[Vertigo Swirl]

To go out to play is an everyday occurrence. To be left in alone in an insecure apartment with your two baby siblings isn’t.

That they left the children alone in an unfamiliar apartment is bad enough but to then leave the door open for no other reason than their convenience is little short of atrocious.

goalpost shifting extraordinaire and appeal to emotions or whatever Slarti would deem that particular argument.  we were discussing conscious decisions remember?

[faithlilly]

goalpost shifting extraordinaire and appeal to emotions or whatever Slarti would deem that particular argument.  we were discussing conscious decisions remember?

It was a conscious decision for the McCanns to play fast as loose with their children’s safety. They knew that Madeleine may wake up but left the door open anyway ( see strap-line ).

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was a conscious decision for the McCanns to play fast as loose with their children’s safety. They knew that Madeleine may wake up but left the door open anyway ( see strap-line ).

You’re very proud of your strapline aren’t you?  Yes it was a conscious decision, just as it was a conscious decision by parents of other children to let them out of their sights for long enough for them to come to harm.  Let’s constantly remind them all of their disastrous decisions until the day they die because that will make us all feel much better about ourselves won’t it?

[faithlilly]

You’re very proud of your strapline aren’t you?  Yes it was a conscious decision, just as it was a conscious decision by parents of other children to let them out of their sights for long enough for them to come to harm.  Let’s constantly remind them all of their disastrous decisions until the day they die because that will make us all feel much better about ourselves won’t it?

The difference is that the other children’s parents envisaged no danger to their children, the McCanns accepted that there may be but went ahead anyway.

[jassi]

You’re very proud of your strapline aren’t you?  Yes it was a conscious decision, just as it was a conscious decision by parents of other children to let them out of their sights for long enough for them to come to harm.  Let’s constantly remind them all of their disastrous decisions until the day they die because that will make us all feel much better about ourselves won’t it?

Well why not?  I'm sure its as useful as carping on about Amaral or Grime or any  other   perceived McCann enemy 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well why not?  I'm sure its as useful as carping on about Amaral or Grime or any  other   perceived McCann enemy 

Carping about the McCanns bad decisions is useful to those who need to feel good about themselves as parents, it’s an insecurity thing IMO. 

[Erngath]

To go out to play is an everyday occurrence. To be left in alone in an insecure apartment with your two baby siblings isn’t.

That they left the children alone in an unfamiliar apartment is bad enough but to then leave the door open for no other reason than their convenience is little short of atrocious.

To go out and play is an everyday occurrence but not for a  five year old in the dark and beng  across a busy road out of parental vision.

I'm actually quite surprised that you think that  is a safe situation for a five year old child.

Both decisions were wrong, both families suffer, both have to live with the consequences of their wrong decisions.