A Room With A View...

[G-Unit]

the point Im making is....the alerts in PDL...the alerts in Jersey...how do we know they were to cadaver odour...we dont

The dog was trained to bark only when it smelled cadaver odour. It had been doing that successfully for years both in training and tests and operationally. There have been numerous attempts to suggest it barked for other reasons, but none of them are feasible in my opinion.

[Mr Gray]

The dog was trained to bark only when it smelled cadaver odour. It had been doing that successfully for years both in training and tests and operationally. There have been numerous attempts to suggest it barked for other reasons, but none of them are feasible in my opinion.

there is no real evidence to support the claim the dog only barked at cadaver odour...thats the problem
There is no evidence there was any cadaver odour in Luz or Jersey

[The General]

there is no real evidence to support the claim the dog only barked at cadaver odour...thats the problem
There is no evidence there was any cadaver odour in Luz or Jersey

You're just copy and pasting that phrase now, aren't you?

[Mr Gray]

You're just copy and pasting that phrase now, aren't you?

grime is now wanting to claim there is science behind the alerts...anectdotal witness sateemnts have no place in science

[Mr Gray]

grime has gone to great lenghts to provide evidence that the dog will alert to cadaver odour...afaics...hes provided none that the dog will not bark at other things

[G-Unit]

there is no real evidence to support the claim the dog only barked at cadaver odour...thats the problem
There is no evidence there was any cadaver odour in Luz or Jersey

Do you mean there's no evidence or do you mean you haven't seen it? The evidence lay in the dog's rtraining, assessment and operational records. As the team were ACPO accredited/licenced  that's evidence that they were meeting the required standards.

[Mr Gray]

Do you mean there's no evidence or do you mean you haven't seen it? The evidence lay in the dog's rtraining, assessment and operational records. As the team were ACPO accredited/licenced  that's evidence that they were meeting the required standards.

All we have seen is claims that that in tests the dogs have a high rate of alert recognising cadaver odour,,....they might be reaching standards but we dont know what those standards are....grime used the word anectdotal re accreditation...that isnt scientific. Any scientific test published refers to detecting cadaver odour...nothing else.

you might accept this without any evidence ...i dont

[Mr Gray]

Do you mean there's no evidence or do you mean you haven't seen it? The evidence lay in the dog's rtraining, assessment and operational records. As the team were ACPO accredited/licenced  that's evidence that they were meeting the required standards.

grime says..

'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.

he says no alerts to meat for human consumption or road kill....that is not comprehensive..

[G-Unit]

All we have seen is claims that that in tests the dogs have a high rate of alert recognising cadaver odour,,....they might be reaching standards but we dont know what those standards are....grime used the word anectdotal re accreditation...that isnt scientific. Any scientific test published refers to detecting cadaver odour...nothing else.

you might accept this without any evidence ...i dont

Yet you're happy to accept that a shutter and window were found open on 3rd Nay 2007 without any evidence to support it.

[G-Unit]

grime says..

'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.

he says no alerts to meat for human consumption or road kill....that is not comprehensive..

So do you have any sensible suggestions?

[Mr Gray]

Yet you're happy to accept that a shutter and window were found open on 3rd Nay 2007 without any evidence to support it.

 i accept 99% it was open based on the fact that nothing suggests that the mccanns are lying or involved in any crime...thats evidence

[Mr Gray]

So do you have any sensible suggestions?

ive already given them...it appears to me the dogs are tested on contamination or no contamination of cadaver odour,...i would like to see other odours introduced...stale urine...etc....and see if any dogs alert to taht

[The General]

ive already given them...it appears to me the dogs are tested on contamination or no contamination of cadaver odour,...i would like to see other odours introduced...stale urine...etc....and see if any dogs alert to taht

Problem with that is the lack of cadavers to use and the legal constraints in the UK.

[Mr Gray]

Problem with that is the lack of cadavers to use and the legal constraints in the UK.

plenty of stale urine around

[The General]

plenty of stale urine around

Not much use without dead dudes and a change in legislation.