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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #120 on: April 07, 2020, 11:51:37 AM »
Morning MTI. This summary of events does fit together. My only nagging doubt is the need to control Nevil first. It seemed pretty calculated and I'm sure JB would try not to make it go noisy.
I would like to place on record, having read a lot about the case of the last week or so, is the execution of two 6 year old boys is something that I can't conceive; an unbelievably callous act conducted just to ensure an ID couldn't be made, no doubt.
Going back to Nevil, something occurred to me last night, and I'm sure it's been raised ad nauseum before - one way to subdue Nevil would be to take one of the women 'hostage'. I don't mean in the traditional sense, but drag one of them out and threaten to shoot her. If he could get him in a reluctant, pleading mode JB could get a decent shot off at him. Is it possible that Nevil rushed JB and was shot in the process?
Did any of the rounds miss, lodged in walls or furniture?
BTW, I'm no sleuth, I'm not trying to solve anything - it's all been solved in my opinion. I'm curious as to the mode of the act.


Every bullet Jeremy fired hit his targets, General. Every single one.

Sheila had never fired a gun in her life; and didn’t even know how to load a magazine.

Neither did she have the mental or physical capability as she sufferers tremors due to her medication.

Sheila was never a suicide risk; had never threatened suicide; and had never been violent to anyone in her life.


Your question whether Jeremy held one of them hostage, whilst worth considering all possibilities, didn’t happen. He wanted to shoot them all dead as they slept. He had no need to hold one as a hostage. He simply wanted them all dead as quickly as possible.
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #121 on: April 07, 2020, 12:35:35 PM »
Whoa there, Spy! WHOA!!! I fear your enthusiasm is running away with you!!! I'm really interested to learn that it's been confirmed that Sheila's hair has been proved to have been dry and not recently washed. It's something, as a one time hairdresser, I've pushed since becoming interested in the case, whilst others have claimed it to be wet. HOWEVER!!! From a personal standpoint, I's say that some of you observations re tampons is, well, to be honest, just gobbledy gook! Whilst I know that autopsy discovered the inserted tampon and that she was said to have been in the early stages of menstruation. However, the flow changes from female to female making it difficult to assess how long a tampon had been in place. I've never been aware that "women never bath with a Tampex. They remove it inserted. They remove it and put in a new one after drying themselves"!!!! At best, that's a wildly sweeping statement. At worst, it's entirely erroneous.

April, no doubt the few oddballs who claim Sheila’s hair was wet are part of his campaign team who desperately try to explain away why Sheila wasn’t covered in blood, human tissue and gun residue. It’s a ridiculous assertion and was ignored long ago by experts as being a  “bizarre” suggestion that Sheila carried out ritual cleansing. How could she have when she was supposedly in a psychotic frenzy? And where were her bloodied clothes? It’s utter nonsense.

I’ve read reams of documents on the case and did indeed read that Sheila’s hair was examined (as it would have been), and besides being dry — as it was when Sheila was found by police — forensics showed that her hair contained minute particles of the surrounding field which she’d walked along with the twins the day before. Thus how they established she hadn’t washed it that evening.

When the pathologist examined Sheila’s uterus, he saw that she was in the early stage of menstruation and by seeing the lining of her w..b could decipher how heavy her menstrual blood flow was. By that, and by the blood absorbed by the Tampax he was able to tell how long the Tampax had been inserted. He approximated it to be a good few hours. Which makes sense. She’d gone to bed around 10pm and must have inserted a Tampax before going to sleep...

As for bathing with a Tampax inserted, unless you’ve just inserted it, all the women I know, including myself, remove a Tampax before bathing or showering simply because it feels cleaner to do so. Obviously, if you’re having a heavy blood flow you’d keep one in whilst bathing, but the pathologist determined Sheila’s blood flow wasn’t heavy. He could tell by her w..b lining. It’s in the notes.

Sheila obviously knew her period was due that day, or had already started, hence why she’d bought Tampax whilst out shopping. I’d go so far to say that her period started some time the afternoon before, hence why she had bloodstained underwear in a bowl. She’d put them to soak as that was what June always did, and clearly intended putting them in the wash the following day.

I don’t see that removing a Tampax prior to bathing is strange at all. In fact, I’d feel less fresh bathing with a used one inserted. But we’re all different...
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #122 on: April 07, 2020, 12:39:50 PM »


It's hazy, now, but it was HUUGE at the time and had to do with Sheila being photographed -posed by police?- on the bed with her nightdress raised to reveal that she was without underwear. It also, allegedly 'proved' that there was only one wound. Basically, the claim was that the police shot her when they first entered. Rushed her upstairs to do CPR then shot her again, accidentally!!! Incredulous though it now is, as a supporter, I WANTED to believe it, then.


That scenario wouldn’t even be carried out in a black comedy.

These supporters of Jeremy clearly have vivid imaginations and can’t see they’re being ridiculed for some of the bizarre claims they come out with.

It’s quite unnerving, actually, to think these people walk amongst us 😳
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline adam

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #123 on: April 07, 2020, 12:54:18 PM »

'— forensics showed that her hair contained minute particles of the surrounding field which she’d walked along with the twins the day before. Thus how they established she hadn’t washed it that evening.'

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A source is needed for this.

Offline APRIL

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #124 on: April 07, 2020, 12:54:49 PM »
April, no doubt the few oddballs who claim Sheila’s hair was wet are part of his campaign team who desperately try to explain away why Sheila wasn’t covered in blood, human tissue and gun residue. It’s a ridiculous assertion and was ignored long ago by experts as being a  “bizarre” suggestion that Sheila carried out ritual cleansing. How could she have when she was supposedly in a psychotic frenzy? And where were her bloodied clothes? It’s utter nonsense.

I’ve read reams of documents on the case and did indeed read that Sheila’s hair was examined (as it would have been), and besides being dry — as it was when Sheila was found by police — forensics showed that her hair contained minute particles of the surrounding field which she’d walked along with the twins the day before. Thus how they established she hadn’t washed it that evening.

When the pathologist examined Sheila’s uterus, he saw that she was in the early stage of menstruation and by seeing the lining of her w..b could decipher how heavy her menstrual blood flow was. By that, and by the blood absorbed by the Tampax he was able to tell how long the Tampax had been inserted. He approximated it to be a good few hours. Which makes sense. She’d gone to bed around 10pm and must have inserted a Tampax before going to sleep...

As for bathing with a Tampax inserted, unless you’ve just inserted it, all the women I know, including myself, remove a Tampax before bathing or showering simply because it feels cleaner to do so. Obviously, if you’re having a heavy blood flow you’d keep one in whilst bathing, but the pathologist determined Sheila’s blood flow wasn’t heavy. He could tell by her w..b lining. It’s in the notes.

Sheila obviously knew her period was due that day, or had already started, hence why she’d bought Tampax whilst out shopping. I’d go so far to say that her period started some time the afternoon before, hence why she had bloodstained underwear in a bowl. She’d put them to soak as that was what June always did, and clearly intended putting them in the wash the following day.

I don’t see that removing a Tampax prior to bathing is strange at all. In fact, I’d feel less fresh bathing with a used one inserted. But we’re all different...


The 'wet' hair comes in as part of the cleansing ritual that many -maybe I, too, at one moment- went along with, but it was always quite obvious to me that her hair was dry. I haven't read any documents about her hair being examined minutely, but having put more than my fair share of hairs under a microscope, I find it interesting.

Re tampons, as in remove or leave in situ? As you say, we're all different.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #125 on: April 07, 2020, 01:03:19 PM »
'— forensics showed that her hair contained minute particles of the surrounding field which she’d walked along with the twins the day before. Thus how they established she hadn’t washed it that evening.'

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A source is needed for this.

I shall find it for you, but will take a while as I have things to do, and will need to search through all my hundreds of documents.

Meanwhile, what I can tell you is that I most certainly read it.

In the event, it isn’t particularly important because the ridiculous claim made by Jeremy’s band of campaigners has already been disproven by the fact no clothes were found in WHF that had any traces of blood, firearm residue on.

Not to mention, the idea itself is utterly ludicrous.
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Offline The General

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #126 on: April 07, 2020, 01:03:30 PM »
'— forensics showed that her hair contained minute particles of the surrounding field which she’d walked along with the twins the day before. Thus how they established she hadn’t washed it that evening.'

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A source is needed for this.
Not only a source, but how they 'establish' that as fact. Surely these 'minute particles' are blown on the wind and transferred all the time. Or is it a preponderance of particles in excess of what would normally be expected? Where's the control?
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline APRIL

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #127 on: April 07, 2020, 01:16:01 PM »
Not only a source, but how they 'establish' that as fact. Surely these 'minute particles' are blown on the wind and transferred all the time. Or is it a preponderance of particles in excess of what would normally be expected? Where's the control?


The point here seems to be that particles were present -the number is irrelevant- which wouldn't be the case had she washed her hair.

Offline Myster

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #128 on: April 07, 2020, 01:18:47 PM »
Most likely particles of corona virus before anyone ever knew about them.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline The General

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #129 on: April 07, 2020, 01:24:37 PM »

The point here seems to be that particles were present -the number is irrelevant- which wouldn't be the case had she washed her hair.
But if these particles are ubiquitous, then she may have washed her hair and a few particles may have been transferred post washing. If there's a preponderance of particles, over and above a baseline one would expect from atmospheric transference, then that may point to the fact that the hair wasn't washed.
It may have been that these particles contaminate everything all the time - even the couch.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline The General

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #130 on: April 07, 2020, 01:30:30 PM »
Most likely particles of corona virus before anyone ever knew about them.
That's the sort of advice one might expect from an Italian Plague Doctor. (Apart from the fact that virology wasn't really understood until about 1890 or so)
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline APRIL

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #131 on: April 07, 2020, 01:36:13 PM »
But if these particles are ubiquitous, then she may have washed her hair and a few particles may have been transferred post washing. If there's a preponderance of particles, over and above a baseline one would expect from atmospheric transference, then that may point to the fact that the hair wasn't washed.
It may have been that these particles contaminate everything all the time - even the couch.

Then, had her hair been wet, there would need to be proof that she'd sat on the couch post washing.

Offline The General

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #132 on: April 07, 2020, 01:42:34 PM »
Then, had her hair been wet, there would need to be proof that she'd sat on the couch post washing.
Yes and no. I actually meant environmental in general, the couch being an example. Just being in the vicinity may expose one to these 'particles' (I assume it's a specific pollen). This field apparently was 'surrounding' the farm.
But you sort of reinforce what I was referring to; how on Earth can they say with any certainty that there were microscopic particles in her hair ergo it cannot have been washed.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Caroline

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #133 on: April 07, 2020, 01:53:13 PM »
Morning MTI. This summary of events does fit together. My only nagging doubt is the need to control Nevil first. It seemed pretty calculated and I'm sure JB would try not to make it go noisy.
I would like to place on record, having read a lot about the case of the last week or so, is the execution of two 6 year old boys is something that I can't conceive; an unbelievably callous act conducted just to ensure an ID couldn't be made, no doubt.
Going back to Nevil, something occurred to me last night, and I'm sure it's been raised ad nauseum before - one way to subdue Nevil would be to take one of the women 'hostage'. I don't mean in the traditional sense, but drag one of them out and threaten to shoot her. If he could get him in a reluctant, pleading mode JB could get a decent shot off at him. Is it possible that Nevil rushed JB and was shot in the process?
Did any of the rounds miss, lodged in walls or furniture?
BTW, I'm no sleuth, I'm not trying to solve anything - it's all been solved in my opinion. I'm curious as to the mode of the act.

That is possible but I think they were killed earlier than people think and that Bamber made sure Nevill wasn't upstairs at the time - (possibly in the shower) thus separating them. There is also the possibility that Sheila slept in the main bedroom with June. June was worried about her and she would have been closer to the twins. It would also explain how she came to be found in the position she was. There was a pair of mens slippers in Sheila's room and if Nevill slept there, it would have made the job a lot easier for Bamber - there was also a drop of his blood outside of Sheila's bedroom, which could have come from the first shot. Which ever scenario you  choose - they are all really just best guesses.

Offline The General

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #134 on: April 07, 2020, 02:00:32 PM »
That is possible but I think they were killed earlier than people think and that Bamber made sure Nevill wasn't upstairs at the time - (possibly in the shower) thus separating them. There is also the possibility that Sheila slept in the main bedroom with June. June was worried about her and she would have been closer to the twins. It would also explain how she came to be found in the position she was. There was a pair of mens slippers in Sheila's room and if Nevill slept there, it would have made the job a lot easier for Bamber - there was also a drop of his blood outside of Sheila's bedroom, which could have come from the first shot. Which ever scenario you  choose - they are all really just best guesses.
Thanks for the reply, you've provided a useful insight.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.