Did Jeremy Bamber exhibit psychopathic tendencies?

[Nicholas]

No there's no name in RW's book.  It's just as you've posted. Those who believe JB guilty are desparate for a psychopathy diagnosis hidden away in a dusty file somewhere. It's the equivalent of the CT wanting to make something out of sloppy paperwork. 

  

[Nicholas]

But NB saw it all go horribly wrong with SC and still they went ahead and adopted JB.

SC should have been removed from their care when June became severely depressed in 1959 due to her decision to adopt SC in 1957.  The authorities should have moved in taken SC and prevented the Bambers from adopting further children.

Are these your projections Holly?

[Brietta]

But NB saw it all go horribly wrong with SC and still they went ahead and adopted JB.

SC should have been removed from their care when June became severely depressed in 1959 due to her decision to adopt SC in 1957.  The authorities should have moved in taken SC and prevented the Bambers from adopting further children.

Where did you find the evidence that June's depression was as a result of adopting Sheila.  I've had a look for it and can only find ...
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June suffered from depression and had been admitted to a psychiatric hospital, once in 1955 before she adopted Sheila, and again in 1958, months after the adoption, when she was given electroshock therapy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Farm_murders

[APRIL]

Where did you find the evidence that June's depression was as a result of adopting Sheila.  I've had a look for it and can only find ...
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June suffered from depression and had been admitted to a psychiatric hospital, once in 1955 before she adopted Sheila, and again in 1958, months after the adoption, when she was given electroshock therapy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Farm_murders

I think you'll find Dr Ferguson said it. Perhaps "as a result of adopting Sheila" could have been about not immediately bonding with her, and/or generally finding motherhood was not the experience she'd imagined?

[Caroline]

I'm not sure he has lied?  I could go through all the witnesses statements etc and highlight anomalies and inconsistencies.

Then you are not sure of anything.

[Caroline]

No there's no name in RW's book.  It's just as you've posted. Those who believe JB guilty are desparate for a psychopathy diagnosis hidden away in a dusty file somewhere. It's the equivalent of the CT wanting to make something out of sloppy paperwork. 

It could be worse though, Stefan Kiszko was diagnosed by a forensic psychologist in prison as suffering from "delusions of innocence".

It not hidden, he was classified as a psychopath prior to trial - just because we're not party to the details doesn't make it any the less true.

[Common sense]

I wonder why the home secretary increased his sentence to whole life?

Was it because he just felt like it or was it because he was privy to whatever is in Bambers NOMIS file?

Or was it because Bamber and his CT are clearly attempting innocence fraud with the "sloppy paperwork" conspiracy fantasies that Holly refers to?

The psych eval referred to by RW was requested by the defence who obviously didn't have to disclose it. The prison service would have done their own either pre sentence or after conviction and I'm betting its bad.

[Caroline]

I wonder why the home secretary increased his sentence to whole life?

Was it because he just felt like it or was it because he was privy to whatever is in Bambers NOMIS file?

Or was it because Bamber and his CT are clearly attempting innocence fraud with the "sloppy paperwork" conspiracy fantasies that Holly refers to?

The psych eval referred to by RW was requested by the defence who obviously didn't have to disclose it. The prison service would have done their own either pre sentence or after conviction and I'm betting its bad.

I don't think he had a CT back then?

As Bamber campaigns for the release of (so called) withheld doc, perhaps the anti Bmabers should campaign for the release of his pre-trial psych report? 

[Common sense]

I don't think he had a CT back then?

As Bamber campaigns for the release of (so called) withheld doc, perhaps the anti Bmabers should campaign for the release of his pre-trial psych report? 

True but I think by that time Bamber had already tried innocence fraud with his failed appeal attempt, claiming the judge was really mean to him mentioning all that evidence and other bad stuff. Maybe the HS just knew he would never shut up so he gave him something to moan about?

I'd sign that petition! He can release all his 27 assessments so we can see for ourselves. The CCRCs 112 page statement of reasons is what I'm after. I suspect he really hates that his appeal court judgements are online. Very few ACJs are as amusing as the 2002 farce.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Dr Ferguson never gave an opinion on Jeremy Bamber except to say Sheila had no problem with him.

The mention of a defence psychiatrist by CAL was taken fron Blood Relations by Roger Wilkes. Perhaps this man's name is in that book? I don't have it. Rather scarily, he is reported to have seen Jeremy's 'very real belief that he didn't commit the crimes' as the main sign of his psychopathy.

I never said Dr Ferguson did give an opinion on Jeremy... I don’t know why you mentioned that thing

JB’s ability to lie about killing them, to the extent he’s told himself he didn’t is why he can pass lie detector tests. Interestingly, he failed the polygraph many years ago...

He’s also refused to take the truth drug: no idea why 😌

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Yep, he knows that a person would have to have some psychopathy to plan and carry out the murders but also, it ties in with his polygraph stunt, which any right minded person dismisses with "a psychopath can pass one" - but he's not a psychopath they retort, he's had 27 tests... ( or so he claims ) - the fact that the polygraph is utterly useless anyway doesn't matter to them.

I think you posted something about online psychopathy tests and instinctively knowing the answers a while back - I took two and surprise surprise, I was able to score top and bottom marks.

That’s right, CS

That very test he took and which I put up online is incredibly easy to manipulate and answer as a normal person would

That’s why British courts deem them inadmissible

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No there's no name in RW's book.  It's just as you've posted. Those who believe JB guilty are desparate for a psychopathy diagnosis hidden away in a dusty file somewhere. It's the equivalent of the CT wanting to make something out of sloppy paperwork. 

It could be worse though, Stefan Kiszko was diagnosed by a forensic psychologist in prison as suffering from "delusions of innocence".

But he’s still displaying his psychopathy now, Holly

When he was diagnosed with psychopathy is irrelevant as psychopaths can’t “get bettr”  — it’s untreatable and incurable

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I assume these people are competent and qualified to make a psychopathy diagnosis?

You’re not a psychiatrist, Holly, but I bet you’d say Peter Sutcliffe is a psychopath — and you’ve never even met him

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Anyway back to the OP, CC was taking the twins to see SC but it seems they were in effect supervised visits with CC present.

According to CC he was told by Dr F SC was likely to suffer with her illness at increasing intervals and Dr F inferred a poor outlook. The twins were only just 6 yoa so needed taking care of for at least the next 12 years.  The Bamber's were not getting younger.

CC certainly realised SC was no longer able to care for the twins and that wasn't going to change.  He had no intention in letting SC becoming main carer again.

We know from CC's mother wit stat June expressed her concerns that through SC's illness the twins might be fostered.  Maybe June was simply sounding out CC's mother

I don't see why anyone doubts the Bamber's were initiating conversations about the twins future?

What on Earth are you talking about?

Sheila and Colin had joint custody, and when the twins stayed with her they weren’t supervised visits!

[The General]

You’re not a psychiatrist, Holly, but I bet you’d say Peter Sutcliffe is a psychopath — and you’ve never even met him

Primary or secondary?