Did Jeremy Bamber exhibit psychopathic tendencies?

[Holly Goodhead]

I haven’t got CAL’s book to hand, but three men who lived at WHF in the 1800s and early 1900s all killed themselves.

One took arsenic, I believe

One drowned himself in a big water butt

And one shot himself dead by tying string to his toe and the trigger of a rifle, then clenching his foot to fire it. That one lived on the farm but not in the house. The other two lived in the house.

I’m not sure, but I think they were related to June in some way...it’s at the very beginning of the book

Yes I recall the history and former occupants but I don't recall any mention they were biologically related to June.

[Holly Goodhead]

In your unqualified opinion. Legally they have joint custody and in times once Sheila was stabilised on her medication, there. is no reason why she couldn't have taken a more active part in their lives - not only was that taken from her, but the lives of he boy was also extinguished by a greedy, heartless, psychopath.

I think their father was the best judge of that and he thought otherwise.  He was probably further guided by Dr F who he claims told him SC would always suffer the condition and with increasing regularity.  If medication is the panacea you seem to think it is why didn't he say 'Oh she'll be fine if she takes her meds'?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

In CC's first wit stat he refers to seeing SC a few times with the boys.

In his second wit stat he refers to allowing SC to have the twins at her flat 5% of the time.

5% doesn't sound like joint custody.  CC was clearly calling the shots and rightly so if his letter drafted to NB was an accurate reflection.

The needs of children come first.  June was not fit to adopt children and sadly SC was not fit to parent the twins.

But they weren’t “supervised visits”, Holly

You said they were, but they weren’t.

Sheila and Colin agreed on joint custody, but when Sheila was unwell Colin cared for them most of the time, which any normal loving father would do

[APRIL]

I think their father was the best judge of that and he thought otherwise.  He was probably further guided by Dr F who he claims told him SC would always suffer the condition and with increasing regularity.  If medication is the panacea you seem to think it is why didn't he say 'Oh she'll be fine if she takes her meds'?

Because he'd ensured, by medicating her with monthly injections, that she would be fine as there was no danger of her forgetting to take it. Incidentally, I don't believe he said those words to Colin when Sheila was on the point of leaving hospital. I think it was his initial assessment of her in her unmedicated state.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I'm not so sure he isn't just feigning it to stay in hospital.  Harry Ogden was junior counsel for the prosecution at PS' trial and recounts cross examining him, asking how, if he was hearing voices commanding him to kill, those voices only spoke to him on Friday and Saturdays when Sonja was at work.   

 

Yes, I’ve noticed how murderers who play the “nutty card” only hear voices telling them to kill: they never hear voices telling them to give all their money to charity or buy strangers gifts...

Peter Sutcliffe is seriously deluded too. He said his trial was a complete farce!🤣

When HE was hoping to appeal he said he’d wear a smart suit to impress the judge 🤣

[G-Unit]

And a psychopath

Are you making things up again? 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Yet he held down a job as a lorry driver for many years, undiagnosed and unmedicated.

Yes!!

I read some years ago that he used sometimes park overnight in a car park by a Common, just a few miles from where I lived at the time. Even that sent shivers down me thinking he’d once been a few miles away

Hs wife is very weird!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Are you making things up again? 

Don’t tell me you have a crush on him too...

[Caroline]

I think their father was the best judge of that and he thought otherwise.  He was probably further guided by Dr F who he claims told him SC would always suffer the condition and with increasing regularity.  If medication is the panacea you seem to think it is why didn't he say 'Oh she'll be fine if she takes her meds'?

You think he's the best judge 'on this occasion'? At the time the twins were with him, Sheila wasn't able to look after them obviously and he did the right thing in taking full care. However, given that his word is now reliable, where in Colin's words does he mention it being a permanent arrangement?

Millions of schizophrenics live their lives with their children having been stabilised on medication. I'm STILL waiting for you to provide an example of someone killing in whilst in the midst of a psychotic episode while regularly taking their medication. The last example you provided,  the individual had admitted to having not taken.

I can't answer why someone didn't say something but I suspect he was taking things one step at a time. Perhaps he even. did mention it, but Colin had no faith in the conventual meds.

[Holly Goodhead]

But they weren’t “supervised visits”, Holly

You said they were, but they weren’t.

Sheila and Colin agreed on joint custody, but when Sheila was unwell Colin cared for them most of the time, which nay normal loving father would do

I didn't say they were supervised visits.  I said CC took the twins to see SC so in effect they were supervised visits:

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11438.msg586795#msg586795

Ie SC was not left alone with them as CC was there.  But I can in his second statement he states he had the twins 95% of the time from Mar to Aug and he allowed SC to have the twins at her flat the rest of the time which I assume was without the presence of CC and/or others.

CC claims Dr F told him SC would suffer the illness at increasing intervals. He was only going to permit SC limited unsupervised contact with the twins.

[Nicholas]

In statements from Dr Ferguson who was June and SC's psychiatrist paid for privately by NB:

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[Common sense]

In CC's first wit stat he refers to seeing SC a few times with the boys.

In his second wit stat he refers to allowing SC to have the twins at her flat 5% of the time.

5% doesn't sound like joint custody.  CC was clearly calling the shots and rightly so if his letter drafted to NB was an accurate reflection.

The needs of children come first.  June was not fit to adopt children and sadly SC was not fit to parent the twins.

Yes, CC was calling the shots because had there been any attempt by Sheila to regain her status as the resident parent, he would have had more than enough evidence for a court to side with him and give him legal sole custody.

I suspect June and Nevill knew this and didn't rock the boat, again making the fostering conversation a questionable event. There is simply no reason to believe Jb that it happened.

[Nicholas]

How can they be my 'projections' when Afaik noone in my adoptive family (or birth family) has ever suffered any mental illness or been involved in any criminality.

Surely any right thinking person would preclude a woman with June's history of mental illness from adopting?

June Bamber was never involved in ‘any criminality’ !

[Holly Goodhead]

You think he's the best judge 'on this occasion'? At the time the twins were with him, Sheila wasn't able to look after them obviously and he did the right thing in taking full care. However, given that his word is now reliable, where in Colin's words does he mention it being a permanent arrangement?

Millions of schizophrenics live their lives with their children having been stabilised on medication. I'm STILL waiting for you to provide an example of someone killing in whilst in the midst of a psychotic episode while regularly taking their medication. The last example you provided,  the individual had admitted to having not taken.

I can't answer why someone didn't say something but I suspect he was taking things one step at a time. Perhaps he even. did mention it, but Colin had no faith in the conventual meds.

In the letter he drafted to NB where he was seeking his help to "try and convince SC" it would be best for her and the twins if they stayed with CC most of the time and SC could see them when she wished. 

[Nicholas]

Why a whole life tariff?  Possibly because he killed 5 people, including two children----that is, assuming he's guilty.

Same as the Moors Murderers and Rosemary West---multiple killings. Not sure who else has a whole life tariff, will have to look it up!

It was Judge Ann Power Forde who referred to ‘Hope’ re Bamber’s full life tariff