Did Jeremy Bamber exhibit psychopathic tendencies?

[Holly Goodhead]

Bamber has kept his pre trial assessment reports from his supporters Holly

What is the prosecution entitled to have access to?

[Nicholas]

There's nothing to dismiss out of hand because there's simply no evidence JB was or is a psychopath.

“Denial allows someone to keep going unchanged despite reality”

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/29/the_odd_body_denial/

[Holly Goodhead]

Can you just clarify what you're saying, please. It sounds remarkably like it wouldn't matter to you HOW many professionals claimed that JB was a psychopath, and that unless it's written evidence, it's as good as not being said? Sounds a little blinkered.

As blinkered as many refusing to accept the following from Prof Egan:

Professor Vincent Egan BSc (Hons).,Ph.D., D. Clin. Psy. Chartered Clinical Psychologist, Chartered Forensic Psychologist, Senior Lecturer in Forensic Psychology, University of Leicester, recently carried out a psychological assessment of Jeremy Bamber for a category A risk assessment review and he stated in his 14 page report:

 “Jeremy has been previously assessed using the PCL-R and found non-psychopathic. My own assessment also found he did not meet caseness for clinical psychopathy, or even mild psychopathy.” He goes on to state “He did not meet caseness for any of the personality disorder dimensions.”

It has also been further suggested that Jeremy Bamber has used “Impression Management” to dupe the assessor into believing he has no psychopathy, nevertheless Professor Egan applied further tests to take this into account and noted:

“To examine whether Jeremy was exaggerating how he presented himself, he also completed the BIDR (Paulus, 1998). On this measure Jeremy was within the low-normal range for impression management and self-deception enhancement. These results suggest he was not presenting himself in an excessively anodyne way to bias the assessor.”

Professor Egan comments, “These findings suggest it is hard to sustain the view that Jeremy Bamber is so expert in deceptive self-presentation as to maintain this front for over a variety of different assessors, different assessment instruments and different times” 

The assessment concludes with “Dangerous violent persons tend to be angry, alienated, impulsive and out of control, and none of these qualities appear to reflect Mr Bamber. Quite what the motive would be for something like the index offence being carried out by Mr Bamber again is very speculative, as is the proposition in the first place.”

[Nicholas]

I thought he admitted to breaking into OCP and was found guilty in a court of law of mass murder by a majority verdict of 10/2 in 1986 and remains in prison to this day?

I believe he also grew cannabis for own use and distributed it for profit although the authorities didn't seem to want to pursue this unlike OCP.

Don’t do this again Holly

You posted

How can they be my 'projections' when Afaik noone in my adoptive family (or birth family) has ever suffered any mental illness or been involved in any criminality.

Surely any right thinking person would preclude a woman with June's history of mental illness from adopting?

I replied

JuB was never involved in ‘any criminality’ !

I edited my post at a specific time from JB to JuB you appear to have edited this 

I edited it at - Last Edit: Today at 12:50:52 PM by - you’ve edited it back in your quoted post to read JB as opposed to JuB

 

[Caroline]

I don't know why some people are so determined to insist that Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath. Even if they could offer evidence, which they haven't, it has no bearing on his guilt or innocence. More specifically it has nothing to do with 'the twin's future'.

He was diagnosed as a psychopath pre-trial. It has a LOT of bearing on this guilt.You seem determined to dismiss anything and everything that points to Bamber as the killer. Circumstantial evidence convicts people everyday - there comes a point when coincidences pass a level to be considered coincidences at all.

Specifically, the twins haven't got a future because they were murdered by a gun toting psychopath - the one you keep defending!

[Caroline]

What is the prosecution entitled to have access to?

I very much doubt his defence team offered up a report that showed Bamber to be a psychopath as part of the evidence - do you?

[Nicholas]

He was diagnosed as a psychopath pre-trial. It has a LOT of bearing on this guilt.

It does and his 27 annual reports further support his original diagnosis as opposed to weaken it

He’s gone on to con many people

Overturning murder convictions on technicalities based on original pre trial assessment reports is big business for those involved with innocence fraud - as well as those who have genuinely been mis diagnosed

[APRIL]

As blinkered as many refusing to accept the following from Prof Egan:

Professor Vincent Egan BSc (Hons).,Ph.D., D. Clin. Psy. Chartered Clinical Psychologist, Chartered Forensic Psychologist, Senior Lecturer in Forensic Psychology, University of Leicester, recently carried out a psychological assessment of Jeremy Bamber for a category A risk assessment review and he stated in his 14 page report:

 “Jeremy has been previously assessed using the PCL-R and found non-psychopathic. My own assessment also found he did not meet caseness for clinical psychopathy, or even mild psychopathy.” He goes on to state “He did not meet caseness for any of the personality disorder dimensions.”

It has also been further suggested that Jeremy Bamber has used “Impression Management” to dupe the assessor into believing he has no psychopathy, nevertheless Professor Egan applied further tests to take this into account and noted:

“To examine whether Jeremy was exaggerating how he presented himself, he also completed the BIDR (Paulus, 1998). On this measure Jeremy was within the low-normal range for impression management and self-deception enhancement. These results suggest he was not presenting himself in an excessively anodyne way to bias the assessor.”

Professor Egan comments, “These findings suggest it is hard to sustain the view that Jeremy Bamber is so expert in deceptive self-presentation as to maintain this front for over a variety of different assessors, different assessment instruments and different times” 

The assessment concludes with “Dangerous violent persons tend to be angry, alienated, impulsive and out of control, and none of these qualities appear to reflect Mr Bamber. Quite what the motive would be for something like the index offence being carried out by Mr Bamber again is very speculative, as is the proposition in the first place.”

"Dangerous violent persons tend to be angry, alienated, impulsive and out of control, and none of these qualities appear to reflect Mr Bamber." I wonder how, when psychopaths are know to be masters of disguising who they are, he could possibly have arrived at that conclusion after a few brief meetings.

[Caroline]

"Dangerous violent persons tend to be angry, alienated, impulsive and out of control, and none of these qualities appear to reflect Mr Bamber." I wonder how, when psychopaths are know to be masters of disguising who they are, he could possibly have arrived at that conclusion after a few brief meetings.

Psychopaths are very much the opposite to that description. 

[Nicholas]

As blinkered as many refusing to accept the following from Prof Egan:

Professor Vincent Egan BSc (Hons).,Ph.D., D. Clin. Psy. Chartered Clinical Psychologist, Chartered Forensic Psychologist, Senior Lecturer in Forensic Psychology, University of Leicester, recently carried out a psychological assessment of Jeremy Bamber for a category A risk assessment review and he stated in his 14 page report:

 “Jeremy has been previously assessed using the PCL-R and found non-psychopathic. My own assessment also found he did not meet caseness for clinical psychopathy, or even mild psychopathy.” He goes on to state “He did not meet caseness for any of the personality disorder dimensions.”

It has also been further suggested that Jeremy Bamber has used “Impression Management” to dupe the assessor into believing he has no psychopathy, nevertheless Professor Egan applied further tests to take this into account and noted:

“To examine whether Jeremy was exaggerating how he presented himself, he also completed the BIDR (Paulus, 1998). On this measure Jeremy was within the low-normal range for impression management and self-deception enhancement. These results suggest he was not presenting himself in an excessively anodyne way to bias the assessor.”

Professor Egan comments, “These findings suggest it is hard to sustain the view that Jeremy Bamber is so expert in deceptive self-presentation as to maintain this front for over a variety of different assessors, different assessment instruments and different times” 

The assessment concludes with “Dangerous violent persons tend to be angry, alienated, impulsive and out of control, and none of these qualities appear to reflect Mr Bamber. Quite what the motive would be for something like the index offence being carried out by Mr Bamber again is very speculative, as is the proposition in the first place.”

 

[G-Unit]

He was diagnosed as a psychopath pre-trial. It has a LOT of bearing on this guilt.You seem determined to dismiss anything and everything that points to Bamber as the killer. Circumstantial evidence convicts people everyday - there comes a point when coincidences pass a level to be considered coincidences at all.

Specifically, the twins haven't got a future because they were murdered by a gun toting psychopath - the one you keep defending!

I don't know who committed the murders at White House Farm, but I do know that psychopathy isn't evidence of guilt, and even if it was there's no evidence of psychopathy anyway.

The twins were murdered, but I see no evidence that they were murdered by a psychopath. Paranoid schitzophrenics kill, and there was a fully diagnosed one on the scene.

[APRIL]

I don't know who committed the murders at White House Farm, but I do know that psychopathy isn't evidence of guilt, and even if it was there's no evidence of psychopathy anyway.

The twins were murdered, but I see no evidence that they were murdered by a psychopath. Paranoid schitzophrenics kill, and there was a fully diagnosed one on the scene.

I think we can leave aside an adequately medicated paranoid schizophrenic. That being said, what would you say would have been the mind set of anyone other than a mentally ill person who was capable of killing innocent children?

[Nicholas]

What is the prosecution entitled to have access to?

What are pre trial hearings for?

[Holly Goodhead]

Don’t do this again Holly

You posted

I replied

I edited my post at a specific time from JB to JuB you appear to have edited this 

I edited it at - Last Edit: Today at 12:50:52 PM by - you’ve edited it back in your quoted post to read JB as opposed to JuB

 

Please stop attempting to cause trouble.  I haven't edited any of your posts recently.

[Holly Goodhead]

What are pre trial hearings for?

What is the prosecution entitled to have access to?