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Offline Lace

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #975 on: September 10, 2020, 10:53:46 AM »





Why was she there that length of time when she knew straight away Maddie had been taken.

Still ran out leaving window wide open

Searching the apartment.  You don't behave logically when in a state of panic.

Offline Lace

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #976 on: September 10, 2020, 10:54:37 AM »
kates fingerprints were on the window too

They would be she looked out of the window.

Offline kizzy

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #977 on: September 10, 2020, 11:29:19 AM »
Searching the apartment.  You don't behave logically when in a state of panic.

Are they not trained to behave logically - when in a state of panic being a GP at the time.

 Or at least to do the sensible thing the wind was blowing curtains she went to the window but did not close it.

She looked out of the window but not the door right next to Maddie bed leading to a car park

If she was in that much of a panic instead of searching why didn't she run straight out she knew Maddie had been taken after all.

Offline Lace

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #978 on: September 10, 2020, 01:02:04 PM »
Are they not trained to behave logically - when in a state of panic being a GP at the time.

 Or at least to do the sensible thing the wind was blowing curtains she went to the window but did not close it.

She looked out of the window but not the door right next to Maddie bed leading to a car park

If she was in that much of a panic instead of searching why didn't she run straight out she knew Maddie had been taken after all.

Yes they are trained,  but this was Kate's daughter not a member of the public, of course she would act differently.  You think you know how you would react what you would do,  but you don't until you are in that situation.
Run straight out?  Who runs straight out without searching the apartment?   Madeleine could have been hiding somewhere afraid because someone had entered the apartment.

Offline kizzy

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #979 on: September 10, 2020, 01:17:17 PM »
Yes they are trained,  but this was Kate's daughter not a member of the public, of course she would act differently.  You think you know how you would react what you would do,  but you don't until you are in that situation.
Run straight out?  Who runs straight out without searching the apartment?   Madeleine could have been hiding somewhere afraid because someone had entered the apartment.

So thats logic thinking then isnt it to search the apartment.

It cant be both as you said kmc  wasnt thinking logically.

So she didn't find her... and still didn't close it... after she had looked out of it... and left her prints on it.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #980 on: September 10, 2020, 03:42:26 PM »
They would be she looked out of the window.

Cite please from the files where she said that to the police?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline John

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #981 on: September 10, 2020, 03:51:50 PM »
Why was she there that length of time when she knew straight away Maddie had been taken.

Still ran out leaving window wide open

Running out leaving the other two alone has always puzzled me too?  If you found your ground floor apartment with the window wide open and the curtains wafting in the wind, would you look out and close it or just look out and leave?
« Last Edit: September 10, 2020, 03:54:20 PM by John »
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Offline sadie

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #982 on: September 10, 2020, 11:30:52 PM »
Amy's evidence is clear. What isn't clear is how she saw something which the other person present didn't see;

when she arrived both the parents and a female friend of theirs whose name she does not know, were there
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

Amy's evidence is not confirmed by any of the McCann's female friends. Fiona Payne was there from 10:10 and the window and shutters were closed.

So ?

Amy arrived and saw the window and shutter open from the front door side.  She could have seen that from over the outer wall had she peered thru the waving branches of the trees.   

When she entered the apartment she saw Kate and Gerry and this female friend (almost certainly Fiona).  She could see them, but she could not see the twins, because Kate/Gerry had shut the door and closed the window and shutter at the same time, in order that they wouldn't wake up with all the noise.   And have done that within seconds of Amy seeing the open window and raised shutter..  It only takes seconds, but longer (more seconds) to go around from the front to the back, then gather oneself for approaching Kate and Gerry.

This needs to be checked with the statements, but  Amy might not have even gone into 5A seeing all three from the patio entrance?   You cant just cherry pick bits like that Gunit, you have to think of the whole picture and what conceivably might have happened. 


It is entirely plausible that Amy saw the window and shutter open and also saw the three, Kate, Gerry and ?Fiona.


At least you now accept that Amys statement was not "iffy" as was described before. 

Offline sadie

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #983 on: September 10, 2020, 11:58:22 PM »





Why was she there that length of time when she knew straight away Maddie had been taken.

Still ran out leaving window wide open

In those first shocked seconds/ minutes, Kate mind must have been tumbling with  mixed thoughts.  She wanted to believe that Madeleine was somewhere there, but the open window was rapidly pushing those thoughts away IMO. 
She ran to Gerry, her rock, and yelled after she got thru the Reception area.    With her athleticism it would take a handful gf seconds - just 30 metres from 5A garden gate to where she could yell Gerry on the tapas side of the Reception and downhill.

Leading world records for 100 metes (ladies) are under 11 seconds
I doubt that it took her 5 seconds from 5A gate to Yelling point .     Please be realistic.

Offline G-Unit

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #984 on: September 11, 2020, 12:05:35 AM »
So ?

Amy arrived and saw the window and shutter open from the front door side.  She could have seen that from over the outer wall had she peered thru the waving branches of the trees.   

When she entered the apartment she saw Kate and Gerry and this female friend (almost certainly Fiona).  She could see them, but she could not see the twins, because Kate/Gerry had shut the door and closed the window and shutter at the same time, in order that they wouldn't wake up with all the noise.   And have done that within seconds of Amy seeing the open window and raised shutter..  It only takes seconds, but longer (more seconds) to go around from the front to the back, then gather oneself for approaching Kate and Gerry.

This needs to be checked with the statements, but  Amy might not have even gone into 5A seeing all three from the patio entrance?   You cant just cherry pick bits like that Gunit, you have to think of the whole picture and what conceivably might have happened. 


It is entirely plausible that Amy saw the window and shutter open and also saw the three, Kate, Gerry and ?Fiona.


At least you now accept that Amys statement was not "iffy" as was described it before.

She confirms that, on the night of the disappearance she was on duty and immediately went to the bedroom to see if the girl was hiding. She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open. It was then that she began to look in the wardrobes to see if the girl was hiding.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

 'At that point, Gerry, I don't think was in the apartment, it was mainly Kate. And Kate was just, huh, utter disbelief and I had disbelief, thinking she's got to be here, you know, what, how can this have happened. And by that point Kate was already saying that the, what she'd found when she'd gone back, which was that the, she'd found the window open and the shutter open and she was convinced at that point that somebody had taken, taken Madeleine and that's what she was telling me and I was like 'They can't have done. They can't have done this', you know. And I looked, I looked throughout the whole apartment and I looked in all the cupboards, under the drawers, under the beds, behind the curtains, everywhere, erm, just, you know, trying to, knowing it had already been done, but you just do. Erm, tut, I looked, when I went into the room that Madeleine was sleeping in, the room was dark, Madeleine, erm, Madeleine's bed was sort of folded back, the sheets, quite kind of neatly really, erm, Sean and Amelie were fast asleep in their cots, they didn't stir, you know, I was opening the cupboards in the room and moving around the room
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Offline sadie

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #985 on: September 11, 2020, 12:27:05 AM »
Running out leaving the other two alone has always puzzled me too?  If you found your ground floor apartment with the window wide open and the curtains wafting in the wind, would you look out and close it or just look out and leave?

You would dash around like someone demented !   

Go on, John, I know that you don't want to, but admit that is what would happen.  Having quickly searched and peered out of the window you would dash for help which was the steps + 5 seconds away.

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BTW, why all the fuss about Kates finger prints on the window ?  She had lived there for several days, FGS

https://crimerocket.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/notwmaddiesbedroom-1.jpg


….  or she could have left them there when supporting herself as she leaned over the bed standing in that narrow gap twixt bed and chair.  This meant she had to place her feet behind each other in an unbalanced manner to peer out.  I bet one hand went on the window and one hand steadied her on the window and the right hand supported her on the curtained wall as she leant as far as possible.

These are only my thoughts but entirely feasible


JUST WHY is there all the fuss about Kates finger prints on the window?

Offline G-Unit

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #986 on: September 11, 2020, 12:45:59 AM »
I dashed over to the second bed, on the other side ofthe travel cots where the twins slept on, oblivious, and looked out through the window. I’ve no idea what I expected to see there.
[madeleine]

According to Kate she knew immediately that Madeleine had been taken. What she didn't know was when, so in theory she could have seen the alleged abductor making off with her daughter. What else could she have been looking for?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #987 on: September 11, 2020, 03:30:11 AM »
You would dash around like someone demented !   

Go on, John, I know that you don't want to, but admit that is what would happen.  Having quickly searched and peered out of the window you would dash for help which was the steps + 5 seconds away.

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BTW, why all the fuss about Kates finger prints on the window ?  She had lived there for several days, FGS

https://crimerocket.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/notwmaddiesbedroom-1.jpg


….  or she could have left them there when supporting herself as she leaned over the bed standing in that narrow gap twixt bed and chair.  This meant she had to place her feet behind each other in an unbalanced manner to peer out.  I bet one hand went on the window and one hand steadied her on the window and the right hand supported her on the curtained wall as she leant as far as possible.

These are only my thoughts but entirely feasible


JUST WHY is there all the fuss about Kates finger prints on the window?
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Offline Lace

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #988 on: September 11, 2020, 10:16:58 AM »
Cite please from the files where she said that to the police?

I didn't say she said that to the Police.

Offline Lace

Re: “A Laughable Story”
« Reply #989 on: September 11, 2020, 10:19:34 AM »
Running out leaving the other two alone has always puzzled me too?  If you found your ground floor apartment with the window wide open and the curtains wafting in the wind, would you look out and close it or just look out and leave?
 
I don't know is my answer John,  never been in that situation thank god.  What I do know is that Kate must have been in one hell of a state searching around that apartment and not finding her daughter,  she must have been out of her mind with worry.