Amaral's grasp of forensics ...

[ferryman]

Correspondence between Amaral and the Portuguese forensic laboratory again ...

There is an anomaly with the dates, but that's not the point of principal interest.

Subject: Sending of Pyjamas

The present inquiry investigates the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May 2007. I am herewith delivering to the Police Scientific Laboratory a pair of girl's pyjamas.

The Pyjamas are from Marks and Spencers, size 2 to 3 years -97 cm.

The pyjamas are composed of two pieces: camisole type without buttons and half sleeves, pink with designs, letters and tracing in white with (small) floral patterns, the right pyjama bottom leg has a design (smaller size) which is identical to that of the camisole.

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs as well as presumably the texture, to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance. The article sent serves for eventual comparisons with fibres collected by the competent officers of the Police Scientific Lab, within the scope of the current investigation.

With compliments

Signed

The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Goncalo Amaral

And the bewiildered response:


1723 to 1725  Letter 15 March 2007 from LPC to PJ Portimao asking what should be done with the pyjamas there having been no fibres collected during the Inquiry
07 Processos Vol VII Page 1723 to 1725
07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1723
 Letter
To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Date: 2007/03/15 (sic)

Ref: NUIPC 201/07 GALGS

Your communication: 2007/06/05

Ref no. 15971 Reg Correspondence 6429/07

Subject: Information

With reference to the abovementioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.
With compliments.



This is the man who, apparently, contradicted Prior on interpretation of the forensic results, then sent him away with  a flea in his ear to berate the FSS on the subject of the PJ's powers of arrest ...

[C.Edwards]

It's the same old mantra... discredit, discredit, discredit.  If only if wasn't for that meddling Amaral, we would have gotten away with it!

It seems clear to me that Amaral is sending the PJs in order to provide a comparative match to any fibres that have been recovered.  Maybe fibres were recovered?  Maybe he just sent the PJs to the wrong lab?

What's the issue with Amaral's grasp of forensics?  What has Amaral got to do with what the McCanns and their friends did?  He just happens to be the one investigating. It suits you to try and portray him as a bungling fool. Many don't hold the same opinion.

[sadie]

BWahahaha

Another home goal for Gonc

[C.Edwards]

BWahahaha

Another home goal for Gonc

It's "own goal".

[DCI]

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs as well as presumably the texture, to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance. The article sent serves for eventual comparisons with fibres collected by the competent officers of the Police Scientific Lab, within the scope of the current investigation.

Really?

So Amaral is saying, they have fibres from Madeleine's pyjamas. So where and how, did they aquire these fibres?

[C.Edwards]

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs as well as presumably the texture, to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance. The article sent serves for eventual comparisons with fibres collected by the competent officers of the Police Scientific Lab, within the scope of the current investigation.

Really?

So Amaral is saying, they have fibres from Madeleine's pyjamas. So where and how, did they aquire these fibres?

Well you'd think that maybe they'd be in the bed she slept in, wouldn't you?  Along with maybe some other trace of a girls who'd supposedly been in the apartment for 5 days.  Therefore rendering a trip back to Rothley to get a pillowcase unnecessary.

[Rachel Granada]

It's the same old mantra... discredit, discredit, discredit.  If only if wasn't for that meddling Amaral, we would have gotten away with it!

It seems clear to me that Amaral is sending the PJs in order to provide a comparative match to any fibres that have been recovered.  Maybe fibres were recovered?  Maybe he just sent the PJs to the wrong lab?

What's the issue with Amaral's grasp of forensics?  What has Amaral got to do with what the McCanns and their friends did?  He just happens to be the one investigating. It suits you to try and portray him as a bungling fool. Many don't hold the same opinion.

Goncalo Amaral may not be a bungling fool, C Edwards, but he has been proven to be dishonest on more than one occasion.  So there are many who do not believe a word he says.

[DCI]

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs as well as presumably the texture, to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance. The article sent serves for eventual comparisons with fibres collected by the competent officers of the Police Scientific Lab, within the scope of the current investigation.

Really?

So Amaral is saying, they have fibres from Madeleine's pyjamas. So where and how, did they aquire these fibres?

Well you'd think that maybe they'd be in the bed she slept in, wouldn't you?  Along with maybe some other trace of a girls who'd supposedly been in the apartment for 5 days.  Therefore rendering a trip back to Rothley to get a pillowcase unnecessary.

But, they didn't do forensics on the bedding, except one small square from the bed under the window. That turned out to be saliva, from a little boy who had stayed there. Which Amaral was convinced was, semen.

[C.Edwards]

It's the same old mantra... discredit, discredit, discredit.  If only if wasn't for that meddling Amaral, we would have gotten away with it!

It seems clear to me that Amaral is sending the PJs in order to provide a comparative match to any fibres that have been recovered.  Maybe fibres were recovered?  Maybe he just sent the PJs to the wrong lab?

What's the issue with Amaral's grasp of forensics?  What has Amaral got to do with what the McCanns and their friends did?  He just happens to be the one investigating. It suits you to try and portray him as a bungling fool. Many don't hold the same opinion.

Goncalo Amaral may not be a bungling fool, C Edwards, but he has been proven to be dishonest on more than one occasion.  So there are many who do not believe a word he says.

And there are many within the Portuguese legal establishment that hold him in high regard, inconvenient as this may be to Team McCann.

The McCanns have been shown to be dishonest on numerous occasions (see article posted in other thread highlighting Kate's lies from her book)

[C.Edwards]

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs as well as presumably the texture, to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance. The article sent serves for eventual comparisons with fibres collected by the competent officers of the Police Scientific Lab, within the scope of the current investigation.

Really?

So Amaral is saying, they have fibres from Madeleine's pyjamas. So where and how, did they aquire these fibres?

Well you'd think that maybe they'd be in the bed she slept in, wouldn't you?  Along with maybe some other trace of a girls who'd supposedly been in the apartment for 5 days.  Therefore rendering a trip back to Rothley to get a pillowcase unnecessary.

But, they didn't do forensics on the bedding, except one small square from the bed under the window. That turned out to be saliva, from a little boy who had stayed there. Which Amaral was convinced was, semen.

You'll have the evidence to back that up then?

[DCI]

And there are many within the Portuguese legal establishment that hold him in high regard 

Is that why his wife, complained nobody from the PJ said bye, bye?

[Rachel Granada]

It's the same old mantra... discredit, discredit, discredit.  If only if wasn't for that meddling Amaral, we would have gotten away with it!

It seems clear to me that Amaral is sending the PJs in order to provide a comparative match to any fibres that have been recovered.  Maybe fibres were recovered?  Maybe he just sent the PJs to the wrong lab?

What's the issue with Amaral's grasp of forensics?  What has Amaral got to do with what the McCanns and their friends did?  He just happens to be the one investigating. It suits you to try and portray him as a bungling fool. Many don't hold the same opinion.

Goncalo Amaral may not be a bungling fool, C Edwards, but he has been proven to be dishonest on more than one occasion.  So there are many who do not believe a word he says.

And there are many within the Portuguese legal establishment that hold him in high regard, inconvenient as this may be to Team McCann.

The McCanns have been shown to be dishonest on numerous occasions (see article posted in other thread highlighting Kate's lies from her book)

Hi C Edwards.  Even if he was held in high regard by the Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, George Bush and Nelson Mandela it does not alter the fact that he has been proven to be a dishonest liar. And that is not very good for a co-ordinator in a missing child case.  I believe Amnesty International have taken an interest in the Cipriano case.

I will look into the other thread about Kate McCann's alleged lies in her book.

[Rachel Granada]

It's the same old mantra... discredit, discredit, discredit.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this what you and the other McCann "sceptics" spend a considerable amount of your spare time doing to the parents of a missing child?  Why is it OK to discredit the McCanns, their friends and family and supporters but not ok to discredit a man with a suspended jail sentence for dishonesty?  Please explain.

Smashing post, Martha! 

[DCI]

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs as well as presumably the texture, to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance. The article sent serves for eventual comparisons with fibres collected by the competent officers of the Police Scientific Lab, within the scope of the current investigation.

Really?

So Amaral is saying, they have fibres from Madeleine's pyjamas. So where and how, did they aquire these fibres?

Well you'd think that maybe they'd be in the bed she slept in, wouldn't you?  Along with maybe some other trace of a girls who'd supposedly been in the apartment for 5 days.  Therefore rendering a trip back to Rothley to get a pillowcase unnecessary.

But, they didn't do forensics on the bedding, except one small square from the bed under the window. That turned out to be saliva, from a little boy who had stayed there. Which Amaral was convinced was, semen.

You'll have the evidence to back that up then?

1723 to 1725  Letter 15 March 2007 from LPC to PJ Portimao asking what should be done with the pyjamas there having been no fibres collected during the Inquiry
07 Processos Vol VII Page 1723 to 1725
07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1723
 Letter
To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Date: 2007/03/15 (sic)

Ref: NUIPC 201/07 GALGS

Your communication: 2007/06/05

Ref no. 15971 Reg Correspondence 6429/07

Subject: Information

With reference to the abovementioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.
With compliments.

[C.Edwards]

"in this laboratory" you missed out.

I meant the saliva/semen thing.