The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner

[Vertigo Swirl]

Ignoring everything someone says or does because a label's been applied to them is very short sighted in my opinion. Anyone who uses labelling as a way to sum someone else up is missing out on a lot of information. Dismissing GA as a 'liar' for example, led to his book being dismissed as 'lies' and ignored the fact that it was a mostly truthful account of the investigation into MM's disappearance and how it developed. It wasn't a libellous attack on the McCanns as was finally decided by all the courts which examined it.

The Germans and the Met chose to listen to a people trafficker and found that what he had to say was useful to them. It remains to be seen whether they will get the result they hope for, but they are prepared to listen.

I'm still waiting for your cite that all courts concluded GA's book wasn't libellous.  I expect I shall still be waiting for it by this time next year.  As for trolls of course they should be ignored and not fed.  You as a moderator should know this.

[G-Unit]

Show me someone who claims to have never lied and you will have shown me a liar.  Gonçalo was the closest policeman to the original investigation and he was sacked because he chose to speak out about the investigation and of political interference. Says much for me.

You then have to wonder why there was interference if it did occur.

[Mr Gray]

Well, you should know what garbage is .imo HCW is full of it.

I could meticulously answer every point G made ...same goes for you and John..but its pointless....totally pointless. they are wrong but will never accept it. Weve seen that with many sceptics refusal to accept CBs guilt in the DM case...even though he was found guilty on overwhelming evidence. Amaral has spread lies about the verdict claiming she was not raped.


I have seen no evidence that HCW spouts garbage...perhaps you could provide some

[Mr Gray]

You then have to wonder why there was interference if it did occur.

more garbage....claiminf there was political interference to protect the mccanns is pure garbage  with no evidence to support it...but believed by many sceptics

[G-Unit]

I'm still waiting for your cite that all courts concluded GA's book wasn't libellous.  I expect I shall still be waiting for it by this time next year.  As for trolls of course they should be ignored and not fed.  You as a moderator should know this.

The findings of the courts are documented for all to see. I try not to feed those I class as trolls, but obviously I don't agree with you as to who they are.

What is trolling?

A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community.

Imo there's a lot of that here, and it doesn't all originate with Wonderfulspam. Refering to other people's posts as 'garbage' is likely to provoke a negative response in my opinion, for example.

[kizzy]

I could meticulously answer every point G made ...same goes for you and John..but its pointless....totally pointless. they are wrong but will never accept it. Weve seen that with many sceptics refusal to accept CBs guilt in the DM case...even though he was found guilty on overwhelming evidence. Amaral has spread lies about the verdict claiming she was not raped.


I have seen no evidence that HCW spouts garbage...perhaps you could provide some

I have seen no evidence that HCW spouts garbage



You have seen no evidence exactly.....HCW hasn't got any.

Apart from the low-life tips from CB friends/acquaintances.

Maybe it seems HCW should be looking at them......seeing they know so much.

[Mr Gray]

The findings of the courts are documented for all to see. I try not to feed those I class as trolls, but obviously I don't agree with you as to who they are.

What is trolling?

A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community.

Imo there's a lot of that here, and it doesn't all originate with Wonderfulspam. Refering to other people's posts as 'garbage' is likely to provoke a negative response in my opinion, for example.

Seems you've misunderstood all three courts verdict..nowhere does it say the thesis wasn't libellous..it says the opposite

[Vertigo Swirl]

The findings of the courts are documented for all to see. I try not to feed those I class as trolls, but obviously I don't agree with you as to who they are.

What is trolling?

A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community.

Imo there's a lot of that here, and it doesn't all originate with Wonderfulspam. Refering to other people's posts as 'garbage' is likely to provoke a negative response in my opinion, for example.

you cannot provide a cite because you know that the courts did not judge whether the contents of the book were true or not.  Hence you are incorrect to say the courts decided the book was not libellous. 
If you want to continue a discussion about what constitutes a troll I suggest you start a new thread about it in a different part of the forum.

[Wonderfulspam]

you cannot provide a cite because you know that the courts did not judge whether the contents of the book were true or not.  Hence you are incorrect to say the courts decided the book was not libellous. 
If you want to continue a discussion about what constitutes a troll I suggest you start a new thread about it in a different part of the forum.

You're quite right. Enough off topic discussion. Let's get back to talking about The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner. I'll start. Does Wolters even have any?

[Mr Gray]

I have seen no evidence that HCW spouts garbage



You have seen no evidence exactly.....HCW hasn't got any.

Apart from the low-life tips from CB friends/acquaintances.

Maybe it seems HCW should be looking at them......seeing they know so much.

If you want to believe that Wolters ...who is speaking for the BKA..not himself.....is lying....then I dont see that as particu;arly logical

[kizzy]

Seems to me ......HCW going all out to collect evidence against CB.

None of it will be related to Maddie.

IMO The only reason Maddie is mentioned is for publicity ...........and our media fall for it.

This is to me although no mcc supporters have mentioned/thought about it.

Is so so cruel for the twins to have their sister blasted on the news etc. from HCW leaks,

Obviously being brought into the limelight by their friends and peers.

[Mr Gray]

The findings of the courts are documented for all to see. I try not to feed those I class as trolls, but obviously I don't agree with you as to who they are.

What is trolling?

A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community.

Imo there's a lot of that here, and it doesn't all originate with Wonderfulspam. Refering to other people's posts as 'garbage' is likely to provoke a negative response in my opinion, for example.

your post was so far dissociated from reality that I couldnt be bothered to respond to the points you made.  referring to a post as garbage is not trolling as you would like to think. Amaral is labelled a liar as hes told such outrageous lies on a fairly regular basis. there is aboslutely nothing wrong with labelling a liar...because thats what he is. Not little white harmless white lies atht a lot of poeple make...but great big lies thht have had seroios consequences.

[Mr Gray]

Seems to me ......HCW going all out to collect evidence against CB.

None of it will be related to Maddie.

IMO The only reason Maddie is mentioned is for publicity ...........and our media fall for it.

This is to me although no mcc supporters have mentioned/thought about it.

Is so so cruel for the twins to have their sister blasted on the news etc. from HCW leaks,

Obviously being brought into the limelight by their friends and peers.

so you dont think the exercise at the dam was related to maddie

Do you think Wolters just organised a publicity stunt costing several hundred thousand pounds and the BKA just went along with it

[kizzy]

so you dont think the exercise at the dam was related to maddie

Do you think Wolters just organised a publicity stunt costing several hundred thousand pounds and the BKA just went along with it

Not a publicity stunt exactly..........he is looking for evidence against  CB not necessarily to do with Maddie.

A channel4 news report stressed it was not indicating any of the articles were related to Maddie.



"Whether individual items actually have a connection to the Madeleine McCann case cannot yet be said. Thank you to all the police officers involved in the search.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not a publicity stunt exactly..........he is looking for evidence against  CB not necessarily to do with Maddie.

A channel4 news report stressed it was not indicating any of the articles were related to Maddie.



"Whether individual items actually have a connection to the Madeleine McCann case cannot yet be said. Thank you to all the police officers involved in the search.

Simple question - do you hope that the investigation into CB and what happened to Madeleine fails?