Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?

[Vertigo Swirl]

"Cadaver dogs confirmed the onetime presence of a cadaver in the room" - is that a Proven Fact, a True Fact or neither?

[G-Unit]

keep digging rthat big hole...people would expect proven facts to be true.Most sceptics if not all beleive that the proven facts re the alerts as true.

I don't think it's me who's in a hole.

I don't care what others believe, the judge made the position pertfectly clear to Gerry McCann


GMC – But the book mentions facts that aren't true.

Judge - We are not here to prove if the contents of the book are truthful or not. Here we are only trying to establish if the freedom of expression of the defendants has affected the rights of the claimants. This court cannot be a substitute of the criminal investigation.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4746.0

[G-Unit]

So are we all agreed that we have learned very little in the past 16 years about Madeleine's disappearance?

I agree.

[Mr Gray]

I don't think it's me who's in a hole.

I don't care what others believe, the judge made the position pertfectly clear to Gerry McCann


GMC – But the book mentions facts that aren't true.

Judge - We are not here to prove if the contents of the book are truthful or not. Here we are only trying to establish if the freedom of expression of the defendants has affected the rights of the claimants. This court cannot be a substitute of the criminal investigation.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4746.0

It seems you don't realise you're in the hole. So the judge confirmed they were not ther to establish if the facts were true..yet allowed them to be referred to as proven

[Mr Gray]

I don't think it's me who's in a hole.

I don't care what others believe, the judge made the position pertfectly clear to Gerry McCann


GMC – But the book mentions facts that aren't true.

Judge - We are not here to prove if the contents of the book are truthful or not. Here we are only trying to establish if the freedom of expression of the defendants has affected the rights of the claimants. This court cannot be a substitute of the criminal investigation.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4746.0

Do you understand what veracity means

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't think it's me who's in a hole.

I don't care what others believe, the judge made the position pertfectly clear to Gerry McCann


GMC – But the book mentions facts that aren't true.

Judge - We are not here to prove if the contents of the book are truthful or not. Here we are only trying to establish if the freedom of expression of the defendants has affected the rights of the claimants. This court cannot be a substitute of the criminal investigation.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4746.0

not to establish if the allegations contained in the book are untrue and therefore libellous, yet that is how you have interpreted it.

[G-Unit]

It would be nice to return to the thread topic. Perhaps those who want to continue to complain about the libel trial could do it on a more suitable thread.

[Mr Gray]

It would be nice to return to the thread topic. Perhaps those who want to continue to complain about the libel trial could do it on a more suitable thread.

If you look back you will see it was you who brought up the trial and took the thread off topic..you did the same two days ago..
So if you want to stay on topic best not to continually take it off topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

It would be nice to return to the thread topic. Perhaps those who want to continue to complain about the libel trial could do it on a more suitable thread.

One thing we have learned in 16 years is that forum threads rarely stay on topic for long, most veer off at a tangent.  As far as the “libel” trial is concerned we have learned that there are proven facts and true facts and the two things are completely different 

[Mr Gray]

One of the things we have learned is that Amaral didn't libel the McCanns according to the laws of Portugal. Neither did Portugal breach their human rights according to the ECHR. Some people disagree, but that's just their 'armchair lawyer' opinion.

This is gunit raising the ECHR on this thread and then complains about the thread being taken off topic

[Eleanor]

This is gunit raising the ECHR on this thread and then complains about the thread being taken off topic

Same old same old.

[Brietta]

The only award to Murat I can see is that TVI had to pay him Eur20,000 for labelling him a paedophile on live TV. Were there others?

            Yes.

[Eleanor]

It seems to me to be quite difficult to wander Off Topic on this Thread as it could include absolutely anything that some of us, even I didn't know.

[barrier]

So are we all agreed that we have learned very little in the past 16 years about Madeleine's disappearance?

Yep, the girl disappeared in as yet unexplained circumstances.

[Mr Gray]

Yep, the girl disappeared in as yet unexplained circumstances.

It's been explained