Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?

[Vertigo Swirl]

What gave you the impression it was an adult holiday?

What gives you the impression it wasnt.

The fact that there were numerous children in the holiday party and the holiday was held at a family friendly resort and not an adults only hotel.

[Vertigo Swirl]

could be out on day release within a matter of weeks,

Good point.

It would be interesting . what HCW reaction or words would be if...CB did end up back on the streets.

What would your reaction be?  Would you be pleased?

[Vertigo Swirl]

The profiling of a paedophile is interesting when there is no evidence that Madeleine was a victim of paedophilia.

When children vanishes mysteriously in the middle of the night from their beds it is quite often the case that sexual abuse is a key motivating factor in the disappearance. It is not unreasonable to assume that if Madeleine was abducted (which is the only plausible and logical explanation for her disappearance, an opinion apparently shared by all those who have been investigating her disappearance for the last 10+ years) that her abductor did so for his own perverted pleasure. 

[kizzy]

The fact that there were numerous children in the holiday party and the holiday was held at a family friendly resort and not an adults only hotel.

I never mentioned an adult only Hotel.

The amount of time the mccs spent with the children .........the children  may as well not have been there

[kizzy]

What would your reaction be?  Would you be pleased?

Stupid posts .......dont deserve an answer.

[Eleanor]

Can we please try to keep this polite.

[kizzy]

He can’t be cleared without a trial.  You don’t want there to be a trial to hear the evidence against him.  He will therefore always be the prime suspect in this case, unless someone else is convicted of the crime (highly unlikely that’s ever going to happen).  Comments on social media do not represent overall public opinion, this can be seen time and again on other conspiracy subjects.

So in yur opinion ...same status as the mccs.

I beileve comments on social media do represent the public and  what is thought about the mccs story of events.

It seems the overall public are not really interested in the mccs...an are not veryhappy about the funding each year.

just a couple out of thousands....all more or less saying the same thing...


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Who leaves three children under the age of 5 alone in a ground floor hotel room with open doors and windows in a foreign country?










Your child goes missing ,but you run out of the apartment and leave your other children in the apartment . NO I DON'T THINK SO


How did they get this one so so wrong? Have to wonder! Take a look at the evidence, the changes in story to fit the narrative, the cadaver dogs evidence, inconsistencies in the tapas 9 statements, their behaviour, their refusal to answer 47 of 48 questions posed by Portuguese police. Statement analysis, body language. They had body language and PR advisors from the first interview telling them how should be behaving and what not to do. Look at the whole. There is not one thing to point the evidence to a vanishing perpetrator.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I never mentioned an adult only Hotel.

The amount of time the mccs spent with the children .........the children  may as well not have been there

It wasn’t an adult holiday.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Stupid posts .......dont deserve an answer.

It was stupid to wonder what HCW’s reaction would be to CB being released from prison then. The answer’s pretty obvious don’t you think?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So in yur opinion ...same status as the mccs.

I beileve comments on social media do represent the public and  what is thought about the mccs story of events.

It seems the overall public are not really interested in the mccs...an are not veryhappy about the funding each year.

just a couple out of thousands....all more or less saying the same thing...


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Who leaves three children under the age of 5 alone in a ground floor hotel room with open doors and windows in a foreign country?










Your child goes missing ,but you run out of the apartment and leave your other children in the apartment . NO I DON'T THINK SO


How did they get this one so so wrong? Have to wonder! Take a look at the evidence, the changes in story to fit the narrative, the cadaver dogs evidence, inconsistencies in the tapas 9 statements, their behaviour, their refusal to answer 47 of 48 questions posed by Portuguese police. Statement analysis, body language. They had body language and PR advisors from the first interview telling them how should be behaving and what not to do. Look at the whole. There is not one thing to point the evidence to a vanishing perpetrator.

Let’s have the link.

[Vertigo Swirl]

In my opinion many McCann sceptics will be pleased if and when Bruckner is released from prison. Many see him as a victim, as a man greatly wronged by the German prosecution service, and by HCW in particular.  They know that his release would be a real slap in HCW’s face and that is something I believe would give them great pleasure.   They also think (for some bizarre reason) that CB’s release means the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance would have to go back to square one and that the police might have to start investigating the parents again despite this being completely illogical and bonkers thinking.

Some McCann sceptics don’t even think CB is that bad of a guy anyway.  They think he was framed for the rape of the American woman and as for his crimes against children, well they weren’t THAT bad after all, and getting your genitals out for a wee in front of random children is apparently legally permissable now so…give the guy a break right?   I’ve read so many posts downplaying the seriousness of this man’s crimes on here alone so no I don’t think it’s at all stupid to ask sceptics if they would be pleased to see Bruckner being released.  I genuinely think some would be delighted.

[kizzy]

Let’s have the link.

Learn to read body language...interesting...good you asked for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDPUuS3S1rQ

[kizzy]

In my opinion many McCann sceptics will be pleased if and when Bruckner is released from prison. Many see him as a victim, as a man greatly wronged by the German prosecution service, and by HCW in particular.  They know that his release would be a real slap in HCW’s face and that is something I believe would give them great pleasure.   They also think (for some bizarre reason) that CB’s release means the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance would have to go back to square one and that the police might have to start investigating the parents again despite this being completely illogical and bonkers thinking.

Some McCann sceptics don’t even think CB is that bad of a guy anyway.  They think he was framed for the rape of the American woman and as for his crimes against children, well they weren’t THAT bad after all, and getting your genitals out for a wee in front of random children is apparently legally permissable now so…give the guy a break right?   I’ve read so many posts downplaying the seriousness of this man’s crimes on here alone so no I don’t think it’s at all stupid to ask sceptics if they would be pleased to see Bruckner being released.  I genuinely think some would be delighted.

Or they might just be thinking this. Enough is Enough...

Enough Is Enough – The Madeleine McCann Case, Its Unspoken Secrets & Why Operation Grange Needs To End Now


However, after years of an investigation riddled with dead ends, millions in public funding, and a recent disappointment in the acquittal of suspect Christian Brueckner in other totally unconnected cases, many are asking the same question: Why does this case continue? Who holds the real answers? And, is there anyone out there who actually knows what happened?

Since her disappearance, the hunt for Madeleine has become one of the longest-running – and shockingly costliest – missing persons investigations in modern history. In the UK alone, an estimated £14 million has been spent by the British government on Operation Grange, the inquiry dedicated exclusively to finding her. And what has this unprecedented spending achieved? Precious little, if anyone were actually honest.

The latest in a long line of “persons of interest,” German national Christian Brueckner, was initially paraded as a suspect by authorities. For years, he was presented as the ultimate suspect, with tantalising hints from investigators that finally, an answer was within reach. Yet, Brueckner was acquitted in another unconnected set of cases, and the public, once again, was left with the bitter aftertaste of a dead end lead. It begs the question: how much longer should this cycle of build-up and disappointment go on?

Red herrings and endless questions – Who knows the truth?

As the Brueckner debacle shows, the investigation has been marred by high-profile suspects who, in the end, turn out to be red herrings. Time after time, public interest is reignited with suggestions of “new leads,” only for hopes to be dashed. One can’t help but wonder: how many people out there actually know the truth? There must be individuals, witnesses, or former suspects who have held pieces of information for years – information that could bring the truth to light. Yet the silence remains deafening.

For instance, many people still believe that multiple individuals connected to Praia da Luz on that fateful night might hold valuable insights. The complex network of witnesses, staff, and even other guests at the resort has never fully been disclosed, creating an air of secrecy. Why hasn’t this circle been fully investigated? Are there people shielding each other, protecting reputations, or perhaps even benefiting from the ambiguity? How many know the truth, and why hasn’t it come out?

The human toll on the McCann family (and the public)

For the McCanns, the reality is one of endless agony and frustration. Kate and Gerry McCann, who once inspired global sympathy, are now met with mixed reactions, often due to the perception that the case has overshadowed other equally tragic disappearances. In many ways, the prolonged investigation has become a burden not only to them but also to the public, who are forced to confront the unsettling realization that justice may never come.

The McCann case has also become a staple of tabloid speculation, with sensationalism often driving the narrative. This has led to endless news cycles, yet almost no new information. We hear about a “breakthrough” only for it to turn out to be irrelevant, as in the case of Brueckner. In the meantime, the families and friends who might genuinely be connected to the case but entirely innocent are hounded by the media and given no peace.

If Brueckner was, indeed, a red herring from day one – as many experts now believe – then why was he pursued so doggedly? Why was so much time and money invested in yet another dead-end? This latest misstep is emblematic of a larger issue within the investigation: a pattern of misdirection, fuelled by sensationalism, that leads nowhere. This mismanagement not only wastes resources but chips away at public faith in the investigation itself.

Christian Brueckner, a convicted criminal in Germany, was publicly labelled as a major suspect, with authorities insinuating that the case’s resolution was closer than ever. For months, the public followed the hints and statements, believing this might be the moment of closure. And yet, with Brueckner’s recent acquittal in Germany
 
in a separate set of cases, the Madeleine McCann case seems as lost as it did in 2007.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Learn to read body language...interesting...good you asked for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDPUuS3S1rQ

Oh dear.  LOL. Thanks for proving my point.

https://www.wired.com/story/youtube-body-language/

[Vertigo Swirl]

Or they might just be thinking this. Enough is Enough...

Enough Is Enough – The Madeleine McCann Case, Its Unspoken Secrets & Why Operation Grange Needs To End Now


However, after years of an investigation riddled with dead ends, millions in public funding, and a recent disappointment in the acquittal of suspect Christian Brueckner in other totally unconnected cases, many are asking the same question: Why does this case continue? Who holds the real answers? And, is there anyone out there who actually knows what happened?

Since her disappearance, the hunt for Madeleine has become one of the longest-running – and shockingly costliest – missing persons investigations in modern history. In the UK alone, an estimated £14 million has been spent by the British government on Operation Grange, the inquiry dedicated exclusively to finding her. And what has this unprecedented spending achieved? Precious little, if anyone were actually honest.

The latest in a long line of “persons of interest,” German national Christian Brueckner, was initially paraded as a suspect by authorities. For years, he was presented as the ultimate suspect, with tantalising hints from investigators that finally, an answer was within reach. Yet, Brueckner was acquitted in another unconnected set of cases, and the public, once again, was left with the bitter aftertaste of a dead end lead. It begs the question: how much longer should this cycle of build-up and disappointment go on?

Red herrings and endless questions – Who knows the truth?

As the Brueckner debacle shows, the investigation has been marred by high-profile suspects who, in the end, turn out to be red herrings. Time after time, public interest is reignited with suggestions of “new leads,” only for hopes to be dashed. One can’t help but wonder: how many people out there actually know the truth? There must be individuals, witnesses, or former suspects who have held pieces of information for years – information that could bring the truth to light. Yet the silence remains deafening.

For instance, many people still believe that multiple individuals connected to Praia da Luz on that fateful night might hold valuable insights. The complex network of witnesses, staff, and even other guests at the resort has never fully been disclosed, creating an air of secrecy. Why hasn’t this circle been fully investigated? Are there people shielding each other, protecting reputations, or perhaps even benefiting from the ambiguity? How many know the truth, and why hasn’t it come out?

The human toll on the McCann family (and the public)

For the McCanns, the reality is one of endless agony and frustration. Kate and Gerry McCann, who once inspired global sympathy, are now met with mixed reactions, often due to the perception that the case has overshadowed other equally tragic disappearances. In many ways, the prolonged investigation has become a burden not only to them but also to the public, who are forced to confront the unsettling realization that justice may never come.

The McCann case has also become a staple of tabloid speculation, with sensationalism often driving the narrative. This has led to endless news cycles, yet almost no new information. We hear about a “breakthrough” only for it to turn out to be irrelevant, as in the case of Brueckner. In the meantime, the families and friends who might genuinely be connected to the case but entirely innocent are hounded by the media and given no peace.

If Brueckner was, indeed, a red herring from day one – as many experts now believe – then why was he pursued so doggedly? Why was so much time and money invested in yet another dead-end? This latest misstep is emblematic of a larger issue within the investigation: a pattern of misdirection, fuelled by sensationalism, that leads nowhere. This mismanagement not only wastes resources but chips away at public faith in the investigation itself.

Christian Brueckner, a convicted criminal in Germany, was publicly labelled as a major suspect, with authorities insinuating that the case’s resolution was closer than ever. For months, the public followed the hints and statements, believing this might be the moment of closure. And yet, with Brueckner’s recent acquittal in Germany
 
in a separate set of cases, the Madeleine McCann case seems as lost as it did in 2007.

Forum etiquette requires that you post a link (unless of course you wrote this, unlikely I know)
None of this takes away from my point that Brückner’s release from prison will been seen as a good thing by many McCann sceptics.