If the man Jane Tanner saw was the abductor, how long did he have ?

[faithlilly]

How many more times, the dogs don't produce evidence - just mere indications

If a rescue dog say in an earthquake zone - alerts to a person under rubble - diggers come out
but no person is found - then the dog was wrong.

Of all the myriad of myths on these forums - the myth that

a)the dogs are infallible b)the dogs provide EVIDENCE  

is by far the biggest one

Grime - said so himself Keela might have barked at a bumblebee flying past for all we know - if coppers on the ground and scientists in a lab don't corroberate the Indications with Evidence - they are not worth a tin of Pedigree - err, dog food

I am quite aware of all of the above. As the case stands the dog alerts give cause for further investigation but are not evidence, by themselves, of foul play. The point I was making is that that may not always be the case and I gave examples of dog alerts having been shown, many years after the crime, to be correct.

[faithlilly]

I can understand why they would have wondered:
- the narrow window of opportunity;
- the bedroom door being more open than usual.

I find it unlikely that someone could have been hiding in the children's bedroom:

- there may well not have been space to hide behind the door;
- getting into the wardrobe may not have been feasible depending on how much space there actually was between the right-hand cot and the wardrobe;
- there may (or not) have been enough space to crouch and hide at the far right-hand corner, near the chair;
- it would have required total silence.

On the other hand, if there had been someone in there, the first noise would quite possibly be the gate. It would have been risky to hide in the parents' bedroom (in case someone decided to get an extra layer of clothing or something else), but less risky than hiding anywhere else.

So when do you think the window was opened ? Before Gerry entered the apartment in case the abductor needed an escape route or after, when there was a perfectly accessible, and less conspicuous, door to use ?

[Eleanor]

The guy had no belly or at least wasn't described like having one, so he could fit behind the bedroom door. Mr McCann precisely found it "more" open than he'd left it.

Thank you, Anne.  I had forgotten about the door being more open than The McCanns left it,  and again when Kate went to check.

[faithlilly]

There are independent witnesses placing Gerry McCann at the OC minutes after the alarm was raised, if he was seen by Smith on his way to the beach, how did he get there? Time travel?

Firstly there are no independent witnesses but if you think there are perhaps you can post their statements for us ? Secondly we have no idea where the man the Smiths saw was going, or indeed, went. He may have turned right at the bottom of the road, placed the body in a concealed area and continued up the hill, all feasible in the time.

[Mrs. B]

The guy had no belly or at least wasn't described like having one, so he could fit behind the bedroom door. Mr McCann precisely found it "more" open than he'd left it.

Well, let's face it, you are in an apartment where you are not supposed to be, you suddenly hear someone entering, what do you do?

It's not as though you have a lot of choices. Hide under the bed? (According to the pictures of the beds used, there was no space). Hide behind the curtains? (Too flimsy, short & in direct line of view). Hide in the wardrobe? (You'll make a noise opening & closing the doors) Hide behind the door? Not ideal & very risky, pretty much the only option left.

[registrar]

The guy had no belly or at least wasn't described like having one, so he could fit behind the bedroom door. Mr McCann precisely found it "more" open than he'd left it.

No belly?

Slim pickings

[faithlilly]

Oh good were back at the walking dead again, if Madeleine fell FROM the balcony into the flowerbed & accidentally met her death, did she run back in again & made sure to fall from sofa too? Or was it the other way around?

Taken from the flowerbed and concealed for a time behind the sofa ?

[Mrs. B]

We've already gone through this. Gerry McCann is not superman, he can't be in two places at the same time. Apart from that, nobody has come up with a single good argument, let alone proof, that any of the Tapas group, (some friends, some mere acquaintances of the McCanns) were LYING in their witness statements to police. Without providing proof that they WERE lying, their witness statements are as valid as those of anyone else.

Here you go http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1234.0

[Mrs. B]

Taken from the flowerbed and concealed for a time behind the sofa ?

Have you looked at the photos of those apartments? FULL view from the street, in a rather busy holiday resort at dinner time, FULL view from the surrounding apartments where people in those apartments were most likely having dinners ON those balconies & NOBODY noticed a dead child in the flowerbed? Utterly insane proposition.

[Carana]

The guy had no belly or at least wasn't described like having one, so he could fit behind the bedroom door. Mr McCann precisely found it "more" open than he'd left it.

Even without a big belly, a jacket would take up volume.

IFFF someone had been in that apartment, the parents' bedroom still seems more likely to me (there would have been time, and I haven't dismissed a burglary gone wrong).

A different possibility would depend on whether the bathroom had a bathtub or not and on whether the curtain was generally drawn after a shower/bath or left open.

Or the kitchen area - but that seems risky unless there was a dark area. On the other hand, kitchens offer more implements to temporarily incapacitate someone and escape.

[AnneGuedes]

Oh good were back at the walking dead again, if Madeleine fell FROM the balcony into the flowerbed & accidentally met her death, did she run back in again & made sure to fall from sofa too? Or was it the other way around?

Some fall from balconies and meet their fate. If one finds a child in an unusual position and immobile in a dark flowerbed, wouldn't the first idea be to take it in one's arms and bring it to light ?

[Carana]

Some fall from balconies and meet their fate. If one finds a child in an usual position and immobile in a dark flowerbed, wouldn't the first idea be to take it in one's arms and bring it to light ?

Behind a sofa?

[AnneGuedes]

Behind a sofa?

On the balcony first ?

[Mrs. B]

On the balcony first ?

In FULL VIEW of all the surrounding apartments & street?

[AnneGuedes]

temporarily incapacitate someone and escape.

But he didn't escape !
And if... he had no time to find the ideal place to hide. Mr McCann certainly wasn't noisy, kids were sleeping.