So what are the various scenarios available to us?

[Benice]

It most certainly has been established when the alert occurred to the nearest few minutes.  There is the evidence of many people who were in or around the club just before it all kicked off.  The resort was quiet at 10pm and a scene of great activity at 10.05pm, does that give you as clue?

And as the Smiths sighting was at 10pm, they saw the mystery man even before it was discovered that Madeleine had gone.

Exactly.  Also if that was Gerry the Smiths saw, then he hadn't even got to his destination yet - wherever that was.  He still had to get there, then bury/hide the body, and then get back to the apartment and change his clothes- all in about 5 minutes!   A physical impossibility - obviously.

Not much of a plan is it when the alarm is raised before the 'culprit' has even arrived back to establish his alilbi.  No-one in their right mind would have that as part of a 'plan'.

The whole idea that it was Gerry the Smiths saw is ludicrous straw-clutching. imo.
 

[Matthew Wyse]

I suggest you get out in the real world  and ask normal people, not fellow mccannites what they think happened to Madeleine.

.  she was abducted of course.    anything else in pure nonsense.

[stephen25000]

.  she was abducted of course.    anything else in pure nonsense.

Can you cite the evidence for that that would stand up in court ?7


Or do you prefer to stick your head in the sand with the rest of the mccannites ?

[Lace]

The only alibi Gerry has for the time of the Smith sighting is one given to him by his friends. None of the staff mentioned him being in the bar at the time of the sighting and there were no other guests dining.

So tell me Faithfully,   why would Dianne Webster lie?

[stephen25000]

So tell me Faithfully,   why would Dianne Webster lie?

Ask Fiona. >@@(*&)

[Benice]

Can you cite the evidence for that that would stand up in court ?7


Or do you prefer to stick your head in the sand with the rest of the mccannites ?

If I was as convinced as you are Stephen i.e. that the McCanns and their friends conducted a massive cover up - then I would be extremely keen to spread my theory (the correct one) to as many people as possible -  to prove to them what really happened and to show them where they are going wrong.    And yet you do the opposite.     I'm intrigued to know why you are so reluctant to share what you think is the true version of what McCanns and their friends did on 3rd May, with this forum.   If it was me I would be posting it in as many places as possible so that people could see the truth.   

Just repeating... 'There is no evidence' ...over and over again -  is not a theory - and is not going to convince anyone of anything.



   

[Benice]

I suggest you get out in the real world  and ask normal people, not fellow mccannites what they think happened to Madeleine.

Nothing in the world stopping you from telling us Stephen.  So why don't you do that.   You could start with 'a credible motive'.

[stephen25000]

If I was as convinced as you are Stephen i.e. that the McCanns and their friends conducted a massive cover up - then I would be extremely keen to spread my theory (the correct one) to as many people as possible -  to prove to them what really happened and to show them where they are going wrong.    And yet you do the opposite.     I'm intrigued to know why you are so reluctant to share what you think is the true version of what McCanns and their friends did on 3rd May, with this forum.   If it was me I would be posting it in as many places as possible so that people could see the truth.   

Just repeating... 'There is no evidence' ...over and over again -  is not a theory - and is not going to convince anyone of anything.



 

I have already posted my thoughts on what happened on amazon several times already and elsewhere.

Go take a look.

Meanwhile you have an almost religious belief in abduction, very sad.

P.S. Are you of the Vee8 train of thought as regards Madeleine ?

[AnneGuedes]

It most certainly has been established when the alert occurred to the nearest few minutes.  There is the evidence of many people who were in or around the club just before it all kicked off.  The resort was quiet at 10pm and a scene of great activity at 10.05pm, does that give you as clue?

And as the Smiths sighting was at 10pm, they saw the mystery man even before it was discovered that Madeleine had gone.

The north side of the building was quiet at 10 pm.
Mr O'Brian, who came back around 9:45, had just started to eat his steak when Mrs McCann launched the alert.

[Benice]

I have already posted my thoughts on what happened on amazon several times already and elsewhere.

Go take a look.

Meanwhile you have an almost religious belief in abduction, very sad.

P.S. Are you of the Vee8 train of thought as regards Madeleine ?

No I'm of the same train of thought as the Portuguese AG and Scotland Yard.  As with those bodies it has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with facts, evidence, common sense, logic and reasoned thought.

I don't do Amazon, but it's become obvious to me that you don't want to post your theory on here.  Let me guess - is it because 'there is no evidence' to support it?     I can't think of any other reason you would want to deprive us of 'the truth' as you see it.

(Must go out now).

[faithlilly]

Wholly wrong...the evidence by several members of staff put Gerry at the table eating his dinner.   Attempting to place him down town carrying Madeleine at 10pm is just preposterous.

Then provide those names but remember the witnesses must not :

A) demolish completely the McCann's and their friends own timeline
B) change over time.

[stephen25000]

No I'm of the same train of thought as the Portuguese AG and Scotland Yard.  As with those bodies it has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with facts, evidence, common sense, logic and reasoned thought.

I don't do Amazon, but it's become obvious to me that you don't want to post your theory on here.  Let me guess - is it because 'there is no evidence' to support it?     I can't think of any other reason you would want to deprive us of 'the truth' as you see it.

(Must go out now).

Read the above.

Annotated version of course.

Meanwhile there is nothing concrete that could stand up in court to support abduction.

What would a court make of the sketch made on behalf of Tanner, let alone the multiplicity of images/sketches of an 'abductor' since then.

Perhaps you should get your coat.

[faithlilly]

It most certainly has been established when the alert occurred to the nearest few minutes.  There is the evidence of many people who were in or around the club just before it all kicked off.  The resort was quiet at 10pm and a scene of great activity at 10.05pm, does that give you as clue?

And as the Smiths sighting was at 10pm, they saw the mystery man even before it was discovered that Madeleine had gone.

Gerry himself says the alert was around 10.13-10-15.

[faithlilly]

The man described by Gail Cooper as seen by her hanging around the Ocean Club Garden resort prior to the abduction could very well have been the same man seen by Jane Tanner the night Madeleine was taken.

Gail Cooper saw the man described SEVERAL WEEKS before the McCanns even arrived in PDL and, so far, the only thing that links him to the alleged abduction is Tanner's and Cooper's vivid imagination.

[faithlilly]

So tell me Faithfully,   why would Dianne Webster lie?

Did she ? How so ?