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Cariad

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #120 on: March 22, 2014, 07:52:21 PM »
Martin Grime declares in his 'profile' provided to the Portuguese  authorities that Eddie alerts to human remains and body fluids including blood.   There is no way to determine what he has alerted to unless CSI find material evidence.

Since only blood was identified in any of his alerts in the Madeleine case it cannot be in any way inferred that what he alerted to was human remains, a cadaver or cadaver scent. 


www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

Body fluids? when people die, they get....runny.

Also:

The dog has also been trained to identify 'dead body' scent contamination where there

is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious material such

as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles. Whereas there may be no retrievable

evidence for court purposes this may well assist intelligence gathering in Major Crime

investigations.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm


Offline Carew

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #121 on: March 22, 2014, 07:56:43 PM »
Martin Grime declares in his 'profile' provided to the Portuguese  authorities that Eddie alerts to human remains and body fluids including blood.   There is no way to determine what he has alerted to unless CSI find material evidence.

Since only blood was identified in any of his alerts in the Madeleine case it cannot be in any way inferred that what he alerted to was human remains, a cadaver or cadaver scent. 


www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm


I`m not sure whether it is quite accurate to make that underlined statement............human remains, a cadaver or cadaver scent cannot be excluded, surely?.

In your link I found this:-


[b"]The dog has also been trained to identify 'dead body' scent contamination where there

 is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious material such

 as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles. Whereas there may be no retrievable

 evidence for court purposes this may well assist intelligence gathering in Major Crime

 investigations"
[/b]

« Last Edit: March 22, 2014, 07:58:22 PM by CAREW »

Offline Carew

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #122 on: March 22, 2014, 07:57:38 PM »
Ah.......I didn`t see your post, Cariad.

Cariad

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #123 on: March 22, 2014, 07:58:02 PM »
Ah.......I didn`t see your post, Cariad.

Great minds...  8)--))

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #124 on: March 22, 2014, 08:01:25 PM »
Isn't that down to forensics ? The dogs just indicate

That's right..the alerts themselves have no value...it is the forensics the dogs find..or don't find...that are important

Offline jassi

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #125 on: March 22, 2014, 08:04:26 PM »
That's right..the alerts themselves have no value...it is the forensics the dogs find..or don't find...that are important

The alerts must have value, in that they indicate where to search, they are just not conclusive.
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Cariad

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #126 on: March 22, 2014, 08:07:09 PM »
That's right..the alerts themselves have no value...it is the forensics the dogs find..or don't find...that are important

"Whereas there may be no retrievable

evidence for court purposes this may well assist intelligence gathering in Major Crime

investigations.
"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

Offline Carew

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #127 on: March 22, 2014, 08:07:43 PM »
That's right..the alerts themselves have no value...it is the forensics the dogs find..or don't find...that are important

The alerts add to the intelligence gathered.

 They exist.........as do the non-alerts.
 
They are part of the investigation and may be of value in connection with other information gathered.

Cariad

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #128 on: March 22, 2014, 08:08:59 PM »
The alerts add to the intelligence gathered.

 They exist.........as do the non-alerts.
 
They are part of the investigation and may be of value in connection with other information gathered.

I like you. You talk a lot of sense  8)--))

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #129 on: March 22, 2014, 08:10:12 PM »
The alerts add to the intelligence gathered.

 They exist.........as do the non-alerts.
 
They are part of the investigation and may be of value in connection with other information gathered.

What intelligence do they add if SY say maddie may still be alive

Cariad

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #130 on: March 22, 2014, 08:11:34 PM »
What intelligence do they add if SY say maddie may still be alive

Well, they also say she may be dead..... In fact they go further than that and say she may have died in the apartment. I wonder where they got that idea from?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #131 on: March 22, 2014, 08:12:13 PM »
The truth is that the alerts add nothing

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #132 on: March 22, 2014, 08:13:31 PM »
Well, they also say she may be dead..... In fact they go further than that and say she may have died in the apartment. I wonder where they got that idea from?

She may have died in the apartment ...without the alerts...the alerts add nothing

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #133 on: March 22, 2014, 08:15:36 PM »
Well, they also say she may be dead..... In fact they go further than that and say she may have died in the apartment. I wonder where they got that idea from?

The fact that they say she may be alive shows they are prepared to completely disregard the alerts as any intelligence as to what happened to maddie

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #134 on: March 22, 2014, 08:16:06 PM »
The truth is that the alerts add nothing

On the contrary, they have contributed a great deal to polite, friendly internet forum discussions over the years.
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