Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Lace]

Now I’ve heard most ridiculous excuses to explain the cadaver alerts in my long years of interest in this case but cadaver emitting grandparents are certainly a new one on me.

Ridiculous excuses?   So someone's opinion about why Eddie alerted is ridiculous to you is it.    An expert are we?

Grime himself said Eddie could have been alerting to ancient scents.

[Mr Gray]

I try to remain as impartial as I can, or at least try to see both sides.
But it would seem that certain 'supporter' mods are more than happy to moderate 'sceptics'. Which probably exacerbates the issue.

I could say the same from my point if view.  .I could say a lot more but it's counterproductive... I agree with you Re over moderation ...I don't find any if your posts particularly offensive

[Holly Goodhead]

How do we square away the dogs not alerting elsewhere? What's the chances of the dogs only alerting in the apartment a child went missing from, but none of the adjacent ones - the Grandparents rule has to be applied equally.

Do you know for a fact that Grandparents lived in any of the other apartments?  When I say lived I mean full-time as opposed to a holiday rental?  I believe at one time a set of Grandparents resided at 5A full-time?

I would want to see the dogs entered into a representative sample of apartments and then if they only alerted in 5A put 5A, people traffic and possessions under the microscope to rule out contamination.  Even then where's the follow through forensic evidence that MM came to harm in 5A.  The human cellular material collected was inconclusive.  I rather think if those who believe this amounts to evidence of anything may not agree it the finger was being pointed at them or a loved one.

 

[Lace]

How do we square away the dogs not alerting elsewhere? What's the chances of the dogs only alerting in the apartment a child went missing from, but none of the adjacent ones - the Grandparents rule has to be applied equally.

If Grime had called Eddie back the same amount of times as he did in 5a,  then Eddie may have alerted to something in the other apartments.   He was rushed through them.

[The General]

Do you know for a fact that Grandparents lived in any of the other apartments?  When I say lived I mean full-time as opposed to a holiday rental?  I believe at one time a set of Grandparents resided at 5A full-time?

I would want to see the dogs entered into a representative sample of apartments and then if they only alerted in 5A put 5A, people traffic and possessions under the microscope to rule out contamination.  Even then where's the follow through forensic evidence that MM came to harm in 5A.  The human cellular material collected was inconclusive.  I rather think if those who believe this amounts to evidence of anything may not agree it the finger was being pointed at them or a loved one.

OK, re-read it. Got it.
Conversely, if dogs were barking their heads off in that apartment I'd want to know why.

[Mr Gray]

Do you know for a fact that Grandparents lived in any of the other apartments?  When I say lived I mean full-time as opposed to a holiday rental?  I believe at one time a set of Grandparents resided at 5A full-time?

I would want to see the dogs entered into a representative sample of apartments and then if they only alerted in 5A put 5A, people traffic and possessions under the microscope to rule out contamination.  Even then where's the follow through forensic evidence that MM came to harm in 5A.  The human cellular material collected was inconclusive.  I rather think if those who believe this amounts to evidence of anything may not agree it the finger was being pointed at them or a loved one.

The alerts were supposed to be basically meaningless as regards, evidence... It was the evidence the dogs detected that is important... Grime has now  moved the goalposts

[Holly Goodhead]

I try to remain as impartial as I can, or at least try to see both sides.
But it would seem that certain 'supporter' mods are more than happy to moderate 'sceptics'. Which probably exacerbates the issue.

Tbh I've been focusing more on trying to get up to speed with what the case is all about rather than this sceptic/supporter thing.  Some here seem to be absolute zealots and I rarely bother reading/responding to their posts.

[Holly Goodhead]

The alerts were supposed to be basically meaningless as regards, evidence... It was the evidence the dogs detected that is important... Grime has now  moved the goalposts

Can we not all move on then?  The alerts and the LCN DNA it seems are meaningless?  If they weren't then the authorities would pursue?  If others disagree so be it.  You will not convince everyone to view the various aspects of the case through your eyes so why bother? 

[The General]

Tbh I've been focusing more on trying to get up to speed with what the case is all about rather than this sceptic/supporter thing.  Some here seem to be absolute zealots and I rarely bother reading/responding to their posts.

That's my tactic; keep on scrolling, you know what it's going to say.

[Mr Gray]

Can we not all move on then?  The alerts and the LCN DNA it seems are meaningless?  If they weren't then the authorities would pursue?  If others disagree so be it.  You will not convince everyone to view the various aspects of the case through your eyes so why bother?

Why bother... So if posters continually promote the alerts, as evidence then you think I shouldn't respond... This is a discussion forum....we, are here to discuss... If you don't like it don't discuss... But don't tell me not to post.. Simple

[Brietta]

It is a Mirror Forum Myth.  Common sense should tell us that.

Indeed it is a myth possibly created to 'back up' the dog alerts which needed something ... anything  ... to substantiate them as there was nothing else.
It isn't heard as often now as it once was and has been discussed on the forum before ... I think for the sake of accuracy it is worth reiterating the fact of the matter particularly as Paulo Pereira Cristóvão was one of the originators and another was also an associate of Amaral, Hernâni Carvalho.

Kate never said it ... Carvalho and Cristóvão did.

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From Estrela de Madeleine:

On the tv monitor, Eddie can be seen sniffing over Kate's clothing and marking that it had been in contact with a cadaver. The reactions of the dogs in the vehicle that had been used by Madeleine's parents can also be seen.                                                                                                                                                                   -

At the medical center where I work, in England, before we came on holidays, people died whom I had been in contact with... you must be forgetting that I am a doctor...

- Yes you are - João Tavares replies - and the death rate at the medical center where you work twice a week is extremely high...

- It's true - the arguida replies.

A Estrela de Madeleine … de Paulo Pereira Cristóvão … Edição/reimpressão: 2008   

Launched in Portugal March 19th 2008 …Páginas: 160 …

Editor: Editorial Presença … ISBN: 9789722338905 … Coleção: Grandes Narrativas

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From Maddie 129:

There are allegations the dogs detected cadaver odors on Kate's jeans and Cuddlecat. The odor on jeans is justified by Kate by saying she was in contact with six cadavers before she left her 2 day per week job in a general clinic in Leicester.

Maddie 129 … de Hernâni Carvalho, Luís Maia … Edição/reimpressão: 2007 … Launched in Portugal November 9th 2007 … Editor: Prime Books … ISBN: 9789898028617

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[Mr Gray]

For those who haven't been following the case fir that long.. In 2007 the alerts, were considered meaningless but Grime had now moved the goalposts as was seen in the lane trial..

According to Grime the alerts, are no longer meaningless but evidential

[Holly Goodhead]

Why bother... So if posters continually promote the alerts, as evidence then you think I shouldn't respond... This is a discussion forum....we, are here to discuss... If you don't like it don't discuss... But don't tell me not to post.. Simple

Firstly where have I told you or anyone what to post or what not to post?  Its up to posters which posts they choose to respond to. 

I think a lot comes down to a poster's objectives ie you claim some continually promote the alerts as evidence and you feel the need to want to respond by definition continually.  What do you hope to achieve by this?  It's extremely unlikely you will convert those who you claim continually promote the alerts as evidence to your way of thinking.  How does going round in circles assist with MM's disappearance?  Do you think lawyers and forensic scientists believe there's any evidence against the McCanns?  The fact that some posters on a forum or some other place think otherwise so what?   

[faithlilly]

That's a bit harsh imo.  We are after all unpaid volunteers.  How long do you think the forum would survive and/or went into meltdown if we didn't have some form of moderating?  Why not start up a thread as to how you think the forum could be improved for the benefit of the majority?

As I see it there are too few posters here who are able to remain neutral or prepared to see it from both sides ie McCanns v some unknown abductor.

As I see it there are far too many mods who are partisan to make any moderation fair.

[Mr Gray]

Firstly where have I told you or anyone what to post or what not to post?  Its up to posters which posts they choose to respond to. 

I think a lot comes down to a poster's objectives ie you claim some continually promote the alerts as evidence and you feel the need to want to respond by definition continually.  What do you hope to achieve by this?  It's extremely unlikely you will convert those who you claim continually promote the alerts as evidence to your way of thinking.  How does going round in circles assist with MM's disappearance?  Do you think lawyers and forensic scientists believe there's any evidence against the McCanns?  The fact that some posters on a forum or some other place think otherwise so what?   

What do you hope to acheive by posting...do you think you can help solve the case.. I think that's plain daft..
I post because I like a good argument. ...that's, all