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ferryman

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Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #105 on: March 14, 2016, 04:30:24 PM »
Carol Cort left a child strapped in a car for 6 hours.

Charges were brought.

But the case against her was dismissed as there was no evidence she had acted wilfully.

Looks as if the barrister who said about the McCanns' parenting that it was 'within bounds of normal parenting' actually knew what he was talking about ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-29117862

Offline Brietta

Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #106 on: March 14, 2016, 04:47:01 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3484064/Pro-gun-poster-girl-shot-four-year-old-son-driving-Florida-boy-pistol-seat-truck.html



There are lots of differences between American and British culture ... some words which are acceptable in Britain being really offensive in America, and vice versa.

One can certainly see where confusion can sometimes reasonably arise.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #107 on: March 14, 2016, 05:46:13 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3484064/Pro-gun-poster-girl-shot-four-year-old-son-driving-Florida-boy-pistol-seat-truck.html



There are lots of differences between American and British culture ... some words which are acceptable in Britain being really offensive in America, and vice versa.

One can certainly see where confusion can sometimes reasonably arise.

Serious question, what are you trying to point out with the links?
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Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #108 on: March 14, 2016, 06:43:11 PM »
Carol Cort left a child strapped in a car for 6 hours.

Charges were brought.

But the case against her was dismissed as there was no evidence she had acted wilfully.

Looks as if the barrister who said about the McCanns' parenting that it was 'within bounds of normal parenting' actually knew what he was talking about ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-29117862

They wilfully left their apartment unlocked and put their children's safety at risk next to two main roads. Kate's mother wanted to kill them when she found out. Kate is always concerned about what her mother thinks and that judge should be sacked.

A WOMAN accused of hiding a £50,000 inheritance so she could continue claiming benefits walked free from court yesterday after proving she spent the windfall on her mother’s beloved cats.

District Judge Joti Boparai said it was “remarkable” that one woman could look after so many cats.

She added: “I find the defendant credible and do accept that in her mind what she did was not dishonest and that is the reason she didn’t declare the money. I find her not guilty."
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #109 on: March 14, 2016, 06:58:56 PM »
Serious question, what are you trying to point out with the links?

The different cultural attitudes which make it possible for an American mom to leave a loaded gun in proximity to an unrestrained four year old in the back seat of a car.

The shock of Hungerford but more so the Dunblane massacre of innocents which saw stricter gun laws introduced in Britain

If a British child is brought up in America assimilating American values will be inevitable.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Angelo222

Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #110 on: March 14, 2016, 07:06:28 PM »
The different cultural attitudes which make it possible for an American mom to leave a loaded gun in proximity to an unrestrained four year old in the back seat of a car.

The shock of Hungerford but more so the Dunblane massacre of innocents which saw stricter gun laws introduced in Britain

If a British child is brought up in America assimilating American values will be inevitable.

American values have morphed greatly since the time of the pilgrim fathers.  I for one would never want to rear a child there under any circumstances.  Give me old blighty any day.
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ferryman

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Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #111 on: March 14, 2016, 07:10:05 PM »
They wilfully left their apartment unlocked and put their children's safety at risk next to two main roads. Kate's mother wanted to kill them when she found out. Kate is always concerned about what her mother thinks and that judge should be sacked.

A WOMAN accused of hiding a £50,000 inheritance so she could continue claiming benefits walked free from court yesterday after proving she spent the windfall on her mother’s beloved cats.

District Judge Joti Boparai said it was “remarkable” that one woman could look after so many cats.

She added: “I find the defendant credible and do accept that in her mind what she did was not dishonest and that is the reason she didn’t declare the money. I find her not guilty."

The McCanns (and all their holidaying friends) wilfully checked on their children, exhausted and crashed out in bed, at regular intervals. 

There was no abandonment, intent to harm or (most important) attempt to cover up anything nefarious ....

Offline Angelo222

Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #112 on: March 14, 2016, 07:18:24 PM »
The McCanns (and all their holidaying friends) wilfully checked on their children, exhausted and crashed out in bed, at regular intervals. 

There was no abandonment, intent to harm or (most important) attempt to cover up anything nefarious ....

There was neglect according to the Attorney General but not wilful thus they weren't prosecuted.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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ferryman

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Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #113 on: March 14, 2016, 07:21:00 PM »
There was neglect according to the Attorney General but not wilful thus they weren't prosecuted.

neglect is a specific offence (English and Portuguese law) and the McCanns were not guilty of it.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #114 on: March 14, 2016, 07:30:19 PM »
The different cultural attitudes which make it possible for an American mom to leave a loaded gun in proximity to an unrestrained four year old in the back seat of a car.

The shock of Hungerford but more so the Dunblane massacre of innocents which saw stricter gun laws introduced in Britain

If a British child is brought up in America assimilating American values will be inevitable.

Much good that did; witness shootings in Cumbria in 2010.
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Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #115 on: March 14, 2016, 07:58:20 PM »
The different cultural attitudes which make it possible for an American mom to leave a loaded gun in proximity to an unrestrained four year old in the back seat of a car.

The shock of Hungerford but more so the Dunblane massacre of innocents which saw stricter gun laws introduced in Britain

If a British child is brought up in America assimilating American values will be inevitable.

Ta.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #116 on: March 14, 2016, 09:07:49 PM »
Much good that did; witness shootings in Cumbria in 2010.

There will always be instances of bad people using guns to do what bad people do.  The value of our gun laws lies in the prevention of accidental shootings carried out by very young children.

**snip
There have been at least 43 shootings carried by children under the age of three in the United States so far this year. Guns left within reach of toddlers can have tragic consequences.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11932821/toddler-shooting-gun-controls-america.html

In this one aspect there is no doubt that a cultural gap of immense dimensions exists between what is acceptable and what is not in the USA and Britain.
I am sure there must be many other examples depending what part of America is considered.

It is one reason why I think a British child in American custody should be repatriated as soon as is possible else officialdom is going to be responsible at some stage for a seriously confused child ... that is if officialdom even cares.

It really is about time actual safeguarding was being enacted on behalf of Samuel Fielden and his situation sorted out.

I wonder what the situation would be were this a case involving an American child in Britain?  Whatever is going on it is time this little boy's future stability is considered.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #117 on: March 14, 2016, 09:40:48 PM »
There will always be instances of bad people using guns to do what bad people do.  The value of our gun laws lies in the prevention of accidental shootings carried out by very young children.

**snip
There have been at least 43 shootings carried by children under the age of three in the United States so far this year. Guns left within reach of toddlers can have tragic consequences.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11932821/toddler-shooting-gun-controls-america.html

In this one aspect there is no doubt that a cultural gap of immense dimensions exists between what is acceptable and what is not in the USA and Britain.
I am sure there must be many other examples depending what part of America is considered.

It is one reason why I think a British child in American custody should be repatriated as soon as is possible else officialdom is going to be responsible at some stage for a seriously confused child ... that is if officialdom even cares.

It really is about time actual safeguarding was being enacted on behalf of Samuel Fielden and his situation sorted out.

I wonder what the situation would be were this a case involving an American child in Britain?  Whatever is going on it is time this little boy's future stability is considered.

Bad people doing bad things with guns.

Now that is a classic.

Have you told Randolph Scott ?
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Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #118 on: March 14, 2016, 10:12:47 PM »
Bad people doing bad things with guns.

Now that is a classic.

Have you told Randolph Scott ?

You do appear to have this blind spot when it comes to blaming perpetrators for their crimes.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?
« Reply #119 on: March 14, 2016, 10:16:59 PM »
You do appear to have this blind spot when it comes to blaming perpetrators for their crimes.

Hardly.


There is no doubt about you though,  on that.