Wandering Off Topic

[Joe Blogs]

You might want to consider that Amaral didn't look like that during his investigation. He looked like a raving nutter and was drunk most of the time.

OK, thanks. Eleanor, I didn't know that either!

[Vertigo Swirl]

OK, thanks. Eleanor, I didn't know that either!

He smartened himself up once he made a packet out of the case by writing his best seller and charging for TV appearances.

[Joe Blogs]

He smartened himself up once he made a packet out of the case by writing his best seller and charging for TV appearances.

OK, thanks, Vertigo!

[Wonderfulspam]

Spam has asserted in his earlier post today that the Portuguese came to the conclusion that Madeleine died and an abduction staged.  That was their working premise while Amaral was in charge, but after he left they took a more broad minded approach and their actual conclusion was they hadn't got a scooby do what happened to her and that there was a lack of any evidence against the McCanns (and that's despite the buttons, the sleeves, the dogs, the blood splatter, the frozen cadaver fluids, etc).  That's not an appeal to authority btw, it's just a fact. 
Also, there are explanations for Smithman within an abduction theory - 1) he was the abductor 2) he was an innocent father like Dr Totman.  Descriptions of his appearance by the Smiths were vague and likely to be inaccurate considering the long period of time between sighting and reporting and/or influenced media reports.   Anyone who dismisses this as possible or likely isn't thinking straight or being honest with themselves.

1) OK so we're back to an abductor who could be mistaken for Gerry. Happened to have trousers like Gerry's, had changed Madeleine's pyjamas & drugged her, then decided to carry out a child abduction on foot.

Or

2) Innocent man, who could be mistaken for Gerry, Happened to have trousers like Gerry?s & Happened to be in the area with his inert daughter closely matching Madeleine?s description.

Either of these 2 possibilities are occurring around the time the McCanns are suspected to be faking an abduction.
It more than crosses the boundaries of plausibility for me.

[Wonderfulspam]

I guess the Gerrylike abductor, who carried out an earlier recon before the pre-planned abduction, decided that it would be best, rather than bundling Maddie into a car, he thought he'd walk through town with her?

We know the McCanns had no car, so they'd have no choice but for her to be moved on foot.
But Brueckner, who had access to multiple vehicles, decided to disguise himself as Gerry & do an abduction on foot?

[Wonderfulspam]

It is clear that if the, Gerrylike coincidental trousers wrong pyjamas, evidence doesn't suit some people, they will attack & dismiss the evidence altogether. This is a criticism aimed at sceptics, that we cherry pick our evidence. When supporters do exactly the same to avoid a very obvious explanation for the small detail & reinforce their belief in abduction.

[Wonderfulspam]

We've also discovered that if we wish to believe the alarm was raised at 10pm, we have to dismiss Mr Mccanns evidence the alarm was raised at 10:13!

[Wonderfulspam]

If we believe Mr McCann, that Kate came screaming at 10:13. Then try & make that fit with Russell's evidence, that his meal was reheated 9:45, & he'd only taken a couple bites before the chaos, incredibly, it must have taken Russell nearly 30 minutes to eat half a steak!

[Wonderfulspam]

So anyway. More about cherry picking evidence.

Matt's time & Russell's half eaten dinner evidence have the alarm raised slightly before 10pm.

The rest of the group seem to have 'around 10pm'

But Mr McCann has 10:13pm

So, what time was the alarm raised then?

Furthermore, how have Scotland Yard been able to rectify this issue, thus proving beyond a shadow of any reasonable doubt for them, that Gerry couldn't possibly have time to have been seen by the Smiths?

Any suggestions anyone?  Can anyone come up with an explanation that doesn't resort to simply attacking or completely dismissing the Smiths?

[Wonderfulspam]

Spam has asserted in his earlier post today that the Portuguese came to the conclusion that Madeleine died and an abduction staged.  That was their working premise while Amaral was in charge, but after he left they took a more broad minded approach and their actual conclusion was they hadn't got a scooby do what happened to her and that there was a lack of any evidence against the McCanns (and that's despite the buttons, the sleeves, the dogs, the blood splatter, the frozen cadaver fluids, etc).  That's not an appeal to authority btw, it's just a fact. 
Also, there are explanations for Smithman within an abduction theory - 1) he was the abductor 2) he was an innocent father like Dr Totman.  Descriptions of his appearance by the Smiths were vague and likely to be inaccurate considering the long period of time between sighting and reporting and/or influenced media reports.   Anyone who dismisses this as possible or likely isn't thinking straight or being honest with themselves.

VS. Would you concede that it's possible the Smith family doing the best they could to remember the small details of the man & child they saw & that it's possible the child did indeed have long sleeves & that the man was wearing possibly with buttons trousers? 

Do you accept that that is possible explanation for the details?
Me, I accept their memories could be influenced, but surely you can see they might also have simply been correct about all this?

There was something unusual about the sighting of the man & child for the family. Smith describing how he did not look comfortable carrying her & also from Mrs Smith in media reports ...

"The one thing we noted afterwards was that he gave us no greeting.
 
"My wife Mary remembered afterwards that she asked him, 'Oh, is she asleep?' But he never acknowledged her one way or another.
 
"He just put his head down and averted his eyes. This is very unusual in a tourist town at such a quiet time of the year."

................

For me there was something unusual about the sighting to the family that caused them to notice some things about him, but then they got on with the rest of their lives & gave it no further real thought, until Peter questioning whether he had dreamt it all. Then, they were able to recall parts of this unusual occurrence.

[jassi]

I seem to recall that Redwood said that he was satisfied that McCann was where he was at the time.
He just omitted to state exactly where that was.

[Wonderfulspam]

'Oh, is she asleep?'

I remember when I first read this. There was clearly something unusual about the child to the family. Her head slumped on his shoulder & arms hanging by her side. She was very deeply unconscious such that it was noticeably unusual, a near four year old that you might expect to be ambulating.

Is she asleep?  Why, what else could she possibly be? Drugged? Or maybe, deceased. That's possible isn't it.

[Wonderfulspam]

I seem to recall that Redwood said that he was satisfied that McCann was where he was at the time.
He just omitted to state exactly where that was.

Crimewatch gave the time Kate left the table as 10pm approx. They didn't mention how long she was in the apartment searching at all. But Gerry would have us believe it was 10 mins! That's an awfully long time to search a tiny apartment, discover the window open & raise the alarm. Do you know? I really can't fathom why Mr McCann might want to push the timeline forward by over 10 mins. I guess it's just another mystery within the mystery.

[Joe Blogs]

Crimewatch gave the time Kate left the table as 10pm approx. They didn't mention how long she was in the apartment searching at all. But Gerry would have us believe it was 10 mins! That's an awfully long time to search a tiny apartment, discover the window open & raise the alarm. Do you know? I really can't fathom why Mr McCann might want to push the timeline forward by over 10 mins. I guess it's just another mystery within the mystery.

Do you think it would be possible to follow Smithmans journey on google maps, Spam?
Maybe see if there's any waste land areas and then communal bins somewhere after the Smith encounter?
Seems to me its time to expand a little on Smithman and try and take the scenario to its conclusion if possible!

[Wonderfulspam]

It's all too late but there are various bars, restaurants that would have had commercial bins. It's all complete guess work. From this aerial photo you can see the space between the apartment & the Smith sighting. So I believe on Gerry's unusually long 9pm check she was moved from the apartment hidden somewhere toward the sighting & later recovered.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id162.htm

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/sitebuilderpictures/smithsighting7.jpg