Wandering Off Topic

[The General]

How do you know this if you've never heard of him?

How do I know that it would seem that moral relativism is permissible when discussed contemporaneously?
Because, and let's not paint this as anything other than about those evil fckers Christovao, Amaral, et al, y'all on the Blame Train, girl.

[The General]

Anyway, let's get back to pre- WW2 European history....hit me up girlfriends.....

[Eleanor]

How do I know that it would seem that moral relativism is permissible when discussed contemporaneously?
Because, and let's not paint this as anything other than about those evil fckers Christovao, Amaral, et al, y'all on the Blame Train, girl.

[Brietta]

I hope you enjoyed your rant.

The problem is simple.  Guernica has SFA to do with the current state of affairs in Portugal

You asked the question "Do you have any clue as to what fascism means?"

The fact you disagree with my answer on what fascism means to me comes as no surprise at all.

In the midst of your vexation please pause for thought and wonder why the populace of Portugal thought it might be an excellent idea to have a revolution to get rid of fascism and replace it with democracy.

carnation revolution

That of course did not happen overnight but is an ongoing process as the old order slowly changes.

[Eleanor]

How do I know that it would seem that moral relativism is permissible when discussed contemporaneously?
Because, and let's not paint this as anything other than about those evil fckers Christovao, Amaral, et al, y'all on the Blame Train, girl.

That is the best bit of deflection and evasion that I have ever seen.  Well done for that.  Unfortunately, it doesn't make sense.

I am talking documented history, some of which I was around to see.  It has nothing much at all to do with The McCanns.

Although strangely enough Amaral does appear to be quite closely related to this very brave man.

I bet you missed that one.

[Eleanor]

You asked the question "Do you have any clue as to what fascism means?"

The fact you disagree with my answer on what fascism means to me comes as no surprise at all.

In the midst of your vexation please pause for thought and wonder why the populace of Portugal thought it might be an excellent idea to have a revolution to get rid of fascism and replace it with democracy.

carnation revolution

That of course did not happen overnight but is an ongoing process as the old order slowly changes.

There were Two Revolution and during the gap the Old School reinvented themselves, and joined the New Judiciary and The PJ.  Same old same old..

I was actually in Portugal while all of this was going on.  It was really quite exciting.  But then I am a You and Whose Army sort of person.

I am just sad that nothing much changed.

[The General]

You asked the question "Do you have any clue as to what fascism means?"

The fact you disagree with my answer on what fascism means to me comes as no surprise at all.

In the midst of your vexation please pause for thought and wonder why the populace of Portugal thought it might be an excellent idea to have a revolution to get rid of fascism and replace it with democracy.

carnation revolution

That of course did not happen overnight but is an ongoing process as the old order slowly changes.

Not fascist in the far-right, ultranationalism sense. Authoritarian, yes. More Christian Corporativism. Salazar himself was a pious, devout catholic, which isn't quite inkeeping with the stereotypical genocidal megalomaniac mode.
And look at all of those simple-minded savages with their flowers.

[Mr Gray]

Not fascist in the far-right, ultranationalism sense. Authoritarian, yes. More Christian Corporativism. Salazar himself was a pious, devout catholic, which isn't quite inkeeping with the stereotypical genocidal megalomaniac mode.
And look at all of those simple-minded savages with their flowers.

Hitler was, a catholic... Not sure how devout either if them were

[ShiningInLuz]

You asked the question "Do you have any clue as to what fascism means?"

The fact you disagree with my answer on what fascism means to me comes as no surprise at all.

In the midst of your vexation please pause for thought and wonder why the populace of Portugal thought it might be an excellent idea to have a revolution to get rid of fascism and replace it with democracy.

carnation revolution

That of course did not happen overnight but is an ongoing process as the old order slowly changes.

At least you have moved on to 1974.  That's only 45 years out of date.  At this rate you might be current by Christmas.

 

[The General]

Hitler was, a catholic... Not sure how devout either if them were

Maybe I wasn't clear, despite being really clear. Salazar was devout. Hence why I used the word 'devout'.
Hitler, on the other hand......

The Pope and an atheist are having a discussion...

and it slowly gets more and more heated until eventually the Pope can't take it anymore and he says to the atheist - "You are like a man who is blindfolded, in a dark room who is looking for a black cat that isn't there."

The atheist laughs and says - "With all due respect, we sound awfully similar. You are like a man who is blindfolded, in a dark room who is looking for a black cat that isn't there but the difference is you've found it.

[Eleanor]

Hitler was, a catholic... Not sure how devout either if them were

Matthew Hopkins was a Catholic.  He slaughtered quite a few people.

And then there was whatsisname in medieval times.  Catholics don't have a good record on this one.  Especially if they think they are important.

[Eleanor]

Maybe I wasn't clear, despite being really clear. Salazar was devout. Hence why I used the word 'devout'.
Hitler, on the other hand......

The Pope and an atheist are having a discussion...

and it slowly gets more and more heated until eventually the Pope can't take it anymore and he says to the atheist - "You are like a man who is blindfolded, in a dark room who is looking for a black cat that isn't there."

The atheist laughs and says - "With all due respect, we sound awfully similar. You are like a man who is blindfolded, in a dark room who is looking for a black cat that isn't there but the difference is you've found it.

What does Devout actually mean.

[Mr Gray]

Maybe I wasn't clear, despite being really clear. Salazar was devout. Hence why I used the word 'devout'.
Hitler, on the other hand......

The Pope and an atheist are having a discussion...

and it slowly gets more and more heated until eventually the Pope can't take it anymore and he says to the atheist - "You are like a man who is blindfolded, in a dark room who is looking for a black cat that isn't there."

The atheist laughs and says - "With all due respect, we sound awfully similar. You are like a man who is blindfolded, in a dark room who is looking for a black cat that isn't there but the difference is you've found it.

Whether portugal was fascist is, a contentious point.  Salazar may not have considered himself fascist and there may be some who agree with him.  There, are I'm sure others who consider his govt to be fascist

[Mr Gray]

What does Devout actually mean.

And what is it's relevance.

The Iman from the mosque where the latest london bridge terrorist worshipped said he condemned the killings completely  as Islam does not support unjust killings

[The General]

And what is it's relevance.

The Iman from the mosque where the latest london bridge terrorist worshipped said he condemned the killings completely  as Islam does not support unjust killings

Well I'm not suggesting that religious leaning is an indicator of morality - in fact I may argue the opposite is true. But then you knew that.
The point, as you probably knew when you cherry picked the word 'devout', was in answer to a previous comment from Bruschetta, asking the age old question 'do you have any clue as to what fascism is?' To which I gegged in, bearing in mind it's a public forum, and interjected, giving my take on Portugal's previous regime not being 'fascist' in the popularly understood context.
Whilst Salazar was a catholic and pretty pious in his beliefs and habits (he basically had naff all), I was demonstrating that the lazy comparison to the archetypal 'fascist' dictator is not quite accurate or indeed fair. And as I also previously stated, the Circular 14 was more of an economic defence, as opposed to some ideological dictate.