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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7200 on: December 25, 2019, 09:29:34 PM »
Please could Davel provide a link to this 'review' he was listening to?

I already have done.
This was all discussed sone time ago.  You seemed to think that the Pilley case showed the alerts as evidence.  Yet this latest investigation confirms that the SCCRC confirmed  the alerts were really inadmissible.... And Grimes colleague..
Prof Casella confirms it

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7201 on: December 25, 2019, 09:31:22 PM »
Just like the celestial teapot... Has anyone managed to prove it doesn't exist..

If Maddie did turn up... As Shannon Mathews did... The handler just comes up with another story...

We know the celestial teapot doesn't exist because we have telescopes & satellites & stuff.

Maddie will never be found alive, I'd bet my house on it & I don't usually gamble.

It's glaringly obvious she's dead, even without cadaver dog alerts.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7202 on: December 25, 2019, 09:33:23 PM »
We know the celestial teapot doesn't exist because we have telescopes & satellites & stuff.

Maddie will never be found alive, I'd bet my house on it & I don't usually gamble.

It's glaringly obvious she's dead, even without cadaver dog alerts.

I agree she's most likely dead... The alerts tell us nothing

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7203 on: December 25, 2019, 09:38:00 PM »
I agree she's most likely dead... The alerts tell us nothing

Entirely coincidental, cadaver dog alerts, Smithman seen carrying a motionless child, Maddie still not turning up however many years later.

But don't worry, she's going to be a famous singer soon.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7204 on: December 25, 2019, 09:39:40 PM »
Entirely coincidental, cadaver dog alerts, Smithman seen carrying a motionless child, Maddie still not turning up however many years later.

But don't worry, she's going to be a famous singer soon.
As I said we don't need Eddie swinging cuddlecat around to tell us Maddie is most likely dead

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7205 on: December 25, 2019, 09:49:01 PM »


The dogs are very reliable at helping to find evidence... If there's any there... In the Pilley case.. Nothing found..
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7206 on: December 25, 2019, 10:09:36 PM »


There's nothing on the Find Madeleine' site unlike last Crimbo  8(8-))

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html
« Last Edit: December 26, 2019, 02:13:59 AM by Eleanor »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7207 on: December 25, 2019, 10:18:16 PM »
There's nothing on the Find Madeleine' site unlike last Crimbo  8(8-))

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

I just like reading the comments on the Sun article.

Very supportive of K & G.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10618432/madeleine-mccann-parents-christmas-message/
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7208 on: December 25, 2019, 10:56:36 PM »
I already have done.
This was all discussed sone time ago.  You seemed to think that the Pilley case showed the alerts as evidence.  Yet this latest investigation confirms that the SCCRC confirmed  the alerts were really inadmissible.... And Grimes colleague..
Prof Casella confirms it

It's not exactly a 'new review' is it? It's a podcast by two journalists which those with knowledge of the case found to be biased.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7209 on: December 26, 2019, 12:02:15 AM »
How sad that some people lead such empty and inadequate lives that they feel so compelled on Christmas Day to write bitchy comments about the parent of a missing child on the Sun’s website.   You do have to feel sorry for people like this IMO. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7210 on: December 26, 2019, 03:54:19 AM »
He hasn't cast doubt on any conviction...he's, simply cast doubt on the, alerts
Same thing in a circumstantial evidence case.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7211 on: December 26, 2019, 08:37:54 AM »
It's not exactly a 'new review' is it? It's a podcast by two journalists which those with knowledge of the case found to be biased.

What is new is the interview with Prof Cassella who is quite critical of the alerts in this, case and says they should not have been admitted as evidence.  It also reports, that an appeal to the, SCCRC judged that the alerts, should not have been admitted as evidence.  That's, quite damning to the, validity of the alerts.
You may remember a previous discussion  where you and others felt that the admission of these, alerts, as, evidence validified them... Seems like you were quite wrong

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7212 on: December 26, 2019, 10:39:27 AM »
What is new is the interview with Prof Cassella who is quite critical of the alerts in this, case and says they should not have been admitted as evidence.  It also reports, that an appeal to the, SCCRC judged that the alerts, should not have been admitted as evidence.  That's, quite damning to the, validity of the alerts.
You may remember a previous discussion  where you and others felt that the admission of these, alerts, as, evidence validified them... Seems like you were quite wrong

In the end the choice was the judge's and the conviction stands.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7213 on: December 26, 2019, 10:49:27 AM »
In the end the choice was the judge's and the conviction stands.

The conviction stands but the admissibility of the alerts doesn't... That's, what's interesting

this is what you posted on the subject..

The dog alerts suggested that she entered the building and died there. That's why it was one of the important components of the circumstantial evidence collected. All the components combined suggested what had happened.

the alerts were not circumstantial evidence....They were eventually ruled as inadmissable....a fact supported by Prof Cassella , a collegue of Grime from Staffs university. Cassella had quite a bit to say about them...none of it supportive. The alerts in the McCann case should therefore be seen in the same light

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Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #7214 on: December 26, 2019, 11:33:01 AM »

The dogs are very reliable at helping to find evidence... If there's any there... In the Pilley case.. Nothing found..
But you agree that the mode of death and transportation of the corpse happened broadly as described by the prosecution?
I listened to that podcast. Pretty interesting. He's quite an eloquent and convincing character. Guilty AF, obviously.
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