Wandering Off Topic

[Wonderfulspam]

I’ve been making that last point for years.  Why are most sceptics convinced Madeleine had an accident and wasn’t murdered in cold blood by her parents?  Only Spam reckons it was murder (but he doesn’t really, he’s just trolling).

No, I believe it was a lawful killing.
Maddie was angry that her parents kept sodding off out & leaving her on her own, so she armed herself with a knife from the kitchen, she lunged at Kate from atop the sofa, there was a violent struggle & Kate managed to subdue Maddie by pinning her down, but suffocated her in the process.
It's tragic, but I now believe Maddie died as a result of lawful self defense. That's my new theory.

[faithlilly]

I object to him saying Eddie had never given a false positive... I object to him saying he didn't know the Renault was the mccanns car.. I object to him calling back Eddie when he had twice shown no interest.. Same in the apartment... I object to him promoting the alerts as reliable when the idea of using the dogs in this way was relatively new and untried... And more... All objections evidenced based..

Okkkaaayyyy

Let’s start with this.

Prove, with evidence, that before 2007 Eddie had given at least one false positive ?

[Mr Gray]

Okkkaaayyyy

Let’s start with this.

Prove, with evidence, that before 2007 Eddie had given at least one false positive ?

Do you understand what a false positive is... Then I'll answer your question

[G-Unit]

Do you understand what a false positive is... Then I'll answer your question

Do you and Grime agree about the definition of a false positive?

[faithlilly]

Do you understand what a false positive is... Then I'll answer your question

Of course.

Now answer the question.

[Mr Gray]

Of course.

Now answer the question.

Then explain and ill answer

[Mr Gray]

Do you and Grime agree about the definition of a false positive?

I think we all understand what's meant by
A false positive
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You may think so but a definition will make sure.

[faithlilly]

Then explain and ill answer

This has become a recurring tactic of yours.

Now give the forum one example of Eddie giving a false positive before 2007.

It really is that simple.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Recommended reading for all

https://www.science.org/content/article/should-dog-s-sniff-be-enough-convict-person-murder

[Vertigo Swirl]

This has become a recurring tactic of yours.

Now give the forum one example of Eddie giving a false positive before 2007.

It really is that simple.

How on earth would one know if any alert by Eddie in the field to residual odour was false or not?  How could you possibly put that to the test?

[faithlilly]

How on earth would one know if any alert by Eddie in the field to residual odour was false or not?  How could you possibly put that to the test?

Shouldn’t that the question to be asked of Martin Grime before proclaiming him a liar?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Shouldn’t that the question to be asked of Martin Grime before proclaiming him a liar?

The question is unanswerable and I haven’t called him a liar.

[faithlilly]

The question is unanswerable and I haven’t called him a liar.

Apologies I didn’t mean you.

The point is unless we have much more information about the cases Eddie was involved in we have no real basis to question Grime’s claim.

[Mr Gray]

Apologies I didn’t mean you.

The point is unless we have much more information about the cases Eddie was involved in we have no real basis to question Grime’s claim.

You are really supporting my criticism of Grime. Do you know what Grime means by a false positive...it seems you don't

[Mr Gray]

Apologies I didn’t mean you.

The point is unless we have much more information about the cases Eddie was involved in we have no real basis to question Grime’s claim.

If you read Grimes claim in the files... The wh sentence.. Its clear Grime is referring to specifically an alert to roadkill or food as a false positive. This is verifiable. As VS points out.... This claim does not mean Eddie has never given a false alert... That would be impossible to verify. Amaral and sceptics have taken this statement to mean Eddie was a super dog who was never wrong. Why has Grime never corrected this falsehood.. Eddie does not  have a 100% record