Author Topic: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence  (Read 194168 times)

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Offline Brietta

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #330 on: March 07, 2018, 09:36:14 AM »
Faiths claim that statistically the McCann's, are involved is patently absurd but posters don't seem to want to address it

I can see why there is a reluctance to discuss it as the statistics referred to are clearly not applicable in Madeleine's case just as they weren't for Holly and Jessica or any of the other cases of stranger abduction.

In my opinion manufacturing a factoid that it is relevant to Madeleine's case when the police have quite obviously ruled it out and have said so might be considered libel ... and if not that, certainly incredibly cruel and unkind
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #331 on: March 07, 2018, 09:49:10 AM »
If we are talking stastistics it more probable that Madeleine was harmed by her parents than a stranger.

Just to see what Faith said rather than what Davel and his supporters said she said.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #332 on: March 07, 2018, 09:58:10 AM »
Just to see what Faith said rather than what Davel and his supporters said she said.

I actually quoted what faith said so theres no confusion abd I've asked faith to substantiate it... It us patently absurd

Offline Erngath

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #333 on: March 07, 2018, 10:03:53 AM »
But thankfully no longer on here

In your opinion which you are entitled to have.
Just as I hold  the same opinion about some sceptics, who thankfully are no longer here!
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline jassi

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #334 on: March 07, 2018, 10:15:54 AM »
In your opinion which you are entitled to have.
Just as I hold  the same opinion about some sceptics, who thankfully are no longer here!

We must be thankful that we are both satisfied.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #335 on: March 07, 2018, 10:22:16 AM »
We must be thankful that we are both satisfied.

Perhaps you would like to see more posters leave

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #336 on: March 07, 2018, 10:28:46 AM »
Perhaps you would like to see more posters leave

Well we do occasionally have intervals of fruitful discussion.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #337 on: March 07, 2018, 10:29:13 AM »
In my opinion whatever these 'sceptics' may or may not have misunderstood is balanced by the demonstrated lack of understanding about what evidence is and how it could be used.

Some think the alerts 'mean nothing' because they weren't confirmed. Confirmation wouldn't have told the investigators anything though. All it could do was authenticate the capabilities of Keela, and they were already known and acknowledged.

In certain circumstances the alerts by the dogs could be used in conjunction with other evidence to make a case.  The reliability of the dogs can be demonstrated by their success rate in training and deployment. That suggests that they were rarely wrong. The reliability of other dogs is irrelevant because they weren't used.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #338 on: March 07, 2018, 10:33:59 AM »
I can see why there is a reluctance to discuss it as the statistics referred to are clearly not applicable in Madeleine's case just as they weren't for Holly and Jessica or any of the other cases of stranger abduction.

In my opinion manufacturing a factoid that it is relevant to Madeleine's case when the police have quite obviously ruled it out and have said so might be considered libel ... and if not that, certainly incredibly cruel and unkind

I see you are using selection bias in choosing the data you want to use.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #339 on: March 07, 2018, 10:36:42 AM »
Well we do occasionally have intervals of fruitful discussion.

IMO losing members is no cause for celebration... It diminishes the forum...

Offline Erngath

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #340 on: March 07, 2018, 10:38:33 AM »
We must be thankful that we are both satisfied.

Indeed.
I've had a particularly pleasant and satisfying few weeks, three family birthdays, a Christening and a Golden Wedding..
February was a very satisfying month.
The weather was dreadful but much improved now.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #341 on: March 07, 2018, 10:43:40 AM »
Well we do occasionally have intervals of fruitful discussion.

I have found this thread fruitful. I have a better understanding of what evidence actually is and a better understanding of how it might be used imo. 
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Offline Erngath

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #342 on: March 07, 2018, 10:46:27 AM »
I have found this thread fruitful. I have a better understanding of what evidence actually is and a better understanding of how it might be used imo.

It's been interesting to read.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #343 on: March 07, 2018, 10:57:06 AM »
I have found this thread fruitful. I have a better understanding of what evidence actually is and a better understanding of how it might be used imo.

I'm glad you have learnt something  from a thread I have introduced.. My understanding hasn't changed but it didn't need to

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #344 on: March 07, 2018, 11:08:41 AM »
An expected response. IMO you have yet to proof any evidence of abduction which doesn’t also apply to many of the other scenarios.

If you had read the post you would have seen I said there is plenty of evidence the parents, are not involved... And there is... I'm astonished posters can't see that