Evidence the PJ followed up on issues raised via the British liaison officers

[Robittybob1]

Yes. The statement by Markley is in English and hasn't been translated to Portuguese. His statement says that the British police checked out 'Kate's boat', not the PJ. Markley approached Glen Pounder to check this boat out, and he mentions that Glen told him the name of the British police officer who is 'now dealing with it'.

It seems to me that only when the matter had been dealt with by the British police was the evidence handed to the PJ for filing. That suggests that the FLO's role was not necessarily to report to the PJ.

There was no sign of a follow up by the PJ.  I had covered this incident in a recent thread.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9175.msg447546#msg447546
has a comment from G-unit quoting Kate McCann Her Aunt was very religious so it's possible that the Lagos incident was related to prayer;

"There were a couple of ‘visionary’ experiences in particular I took very seriously. One of them had come through prayer which, at the time, gave it even greater credibility in my eyes. I begged the police to look into these. They were very sceptical, to put it mildly." [madeleine]

From that Kate didn't expect much of a response.  But that was subsequent to the George Brooks report of the couple carrying a child early on the 4th.  Whether the PJ linked the two and dismissed the lot I don't know.

[Robittybob1]

There is no evidence as far as I know that George Burke, Jane Jensen and Annie Wiltshire ever spoke to the British Police.

Where would this evidence come from?  I think I'm picking up hints that they spoke to the UK police as well as the PJ.  It is basically memories now but I'll have to go back and see if I can isolate it.

It seems certain that the UK police looked into the boat identified after the vision.  It seems certain that Kate and Gerry raised the issue of sedatives being used on the children with the UK police on the 5th May.

Annie and Jayne make a lot of noise in the press.  They complain about being ignored.

The Moyes  don't really make it clear who they spoke to.

George Brooks - uncertainty all round.

[Robittybob1]

The fact that George Brooks page start off with notes from the UK police tells me he talked to the UK police.

"Apenso5_vol_1_Page3
 
Leicestershire Constabulary Continuation Witness Statement

Continuation Statement - 4th May

Continuation Statement: Information from the Family

There is a male who owns a pizza hut in the resort called George originally from Liverpool. He states that on Friday morning at 5.55 AM on Friday 4th May 2007 he saw a couple acting suspiciously carrying a child near to the marina.

He can be contacted on the following number: ***

The pizza hut is near to a place called Amy Dukes.

The police have not yet spoken to this male."

If not him directly but it is recorded as a statement "He states that on Friday morning at 5.55 AM on Friday 4th May 2007 he saw a couple acting suspiciously carrying a child near to the marina.

[G-Unit]

Where would this evidence come from?  I think I'm picking up hints that they spoke to the UK police as well as the PJ.  It is basically memories now but I'll have to go back and see if I can isolate it.

It seems certain that the UK police looked into the boat identified after the vision.  It seems certain that Kate and Gerry raised the issue of sedatives being used on the children with the UK police on the 5th May.

Annie and Jayne make a lot of noise in the press.  They complain about being ignored.

The Moyes  don't really make it clear who they spoke to.

George Brooks - uncertainty all round.

People say all sorts of things, it doesn't mean they're telling the truth. Evidence supporting their stories is needed.
There is evidence that Burke and the sisters spoke to the media. The official files contain nothing to confirm their claims that they spoke to the police.

You are now misquoting what the McCanns said to the FLO's.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm

As you can see they didn't mention 'sedatives' or 'children' so your statement above is misleading because it's incorrect.
 

[Robittybob1]

People say all sorts of things, it doesn't mean they're telling the truth. Evidence supporting their stories is needed.
There is evidence that Burke and the sisters spoke to the media. The official files contain nothing to confirm their claims that they spoke to the police.

You are now misquoting what the McCanns said to the FLO's.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm

As you can see they didn't mention 'sedatives' or 'children' so your statement above is misleading because it's incorrect.
 

So how were the PJ going to answer that question?  "They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction."  Was it just to reply "no we have no evidence"?  Or was it an request to go and look for some?  In which case testing the siblings for sedatives would seem very logical in the account of them sleeping so soundly.   So yes I was putting my spin on the meaning of the question.

"No we have no evidence but neither do you, so you will be helpless when we accuse you of sedating the children before you went out for the night.  And when you did your own testing it was at a time the drugs would have been eliminated."
If there is anything that rattles me it is the accusations of Amaral against the McCanns on this issue.

[jassi]

Is it normal to ask police if they have evidence of something? I would have thought not.

[G-Unit]

So how were the PJ going to answer that question?  "They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction."  Was it just to reply "no we have no evidence"?  Or was it an request to go and look for some?  In which case testing the siblings for sedatives would seem very logical in the account of them sleeping so soundly.   So yes I was putting my spin on the meaning of the question.

"No we have no evidence but neither do you, so you will be helpless when we accuse you of sedating the children before you went out for the night.  And when you did your own testing it was at a time the drugs would have been eliminated."
If there is anything that rattles me it is the accusations of Amaral against the McCanns on this issue.

In my opinion you are allowing your opinions to influence your evaluation of the evidence. The files have only this;

Strangely, Kate also made several requests, three months after the disappearance of Madeleine, that the police should take blood, hair and nail tests of Madeleine's twin siblings, because, as she said, she remembered that on the day of Madeleine's disappearance, in spite of all the commotion and noise made by the authorities and other persons who were looking for Madeleine in apartment 5A of the OC, the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment, they remained asleep, due to which she now presumes that they were under the effect of some sedative drug that a presumed abductor had administered to the three children in order to be able to abduct Madeleine, a situation which Kate refers to being possible according to what she read in a criminal investigation manual given to her by the British authorities, that would have been the procedure of the abductor in the real case involving abduction, rape and murder of the girl.
Paiva, 3rd Sept 2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm

That's the only evidence of the sedation story being mentioned. Although Kate, Fiona and Dianne all testified to the unusual sleepiness of the twins later, not one of them mentioned it at the time.

[G-Unit]

Is it normal to ask police if they have evidence of something? I would have thought not.

Perhaps that's why the liaison officers mentioned it in their statements.

[Robittybob1]

Is it normal to ask police if they have evidence of something? I would have thought not.

IMO the PJ don't like being told what to do so it was a question hopefully to prompt action.  But it didn't seem to make any difference. 

[Robittybob1]

In my opinion you are allowing your opinions to influence your evaluation of the evidence. The files have only this;

Strangely, Kate also made several requests, three months after the disappearance of Madeleine, that the police should take blood, hair and nail tests of Madeleine's twin siblings, because, as she said, she remembered that on the day of Madeleine's disappearance, in spite of all the commotion and noise made by the authorities and other persons who were looking for Madeleine in apartment 5A of the OC, the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment, they remained asleep, due to which she now presumes that they were under the effect of some sedative drug that a presumed abductor had administered to the three children in order to be able to abduct Madeleine, a situation which Kate refers to being possible according to what she read in a criminal investigation manual given to her by the British authorities, that would have been the procedure of the abductor in the real case involving abduction, rape and murder of the girl.
Paiva, 3rd Sept 2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm

That's the only evidence of the sedation story being mentioned. Although Kate, Fiona and Dianne all testified to the unusual sleepiness of the twins later, not one of them mentioned it at the time.

That is not evidence that is an argument.

[jassi]

IMO the PJ don't like being told what to do so it was a question hopefully to prompt action.  But it didn't seem to make any difference.

I don't imagine any police force appreciates being told what to do

[Robittybob1]

I don't imagine any police force appreciates being told what to do

It is often the best way to get it right.

[Carana]

In my opinion you are allowing your opinions to influence your evaluation of the evidence. The files have only this;

Strangely, Kate also made several requests, three months after the disappearance of Madeleine, that the police should take blood, hair and nail tests of Madeleine's twin siblings, because, as she said, she remembered that on the day of Madeleine's disappearance, in spite of all the commotion and noise made by the authorities and other persons who were looking for Madeleine in apartment 5A of the OC, the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment, they remained asleep, due to which she now presumes that they were under the effect of some sedative drug that a presumed abductor had administered to the three children in order to be able to abduct Madeleine, a situation which Kate refers to being possible according to what she read in a criminal investigation manual given to her by the British authorities, that would have been the procedure of the abductor in the real case involving abduction, rape and murder of the girl.
Paiva, 3rd Sept 2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm

That's the only evidence of the sedation story being mentioned. Although Kate, Fiona and Dianne all testified to the unusual sleepiness of the twins later, not one of them mentioned it at the time.

Are you saying that the statements of the 2 FLO officers don't count?

[slartibartfast]

Are you saying that the statements of the 2 FLO officers don't count?

I think the question is, “What happened after K&G made their statements to the FLOs?”

[Robittybob1]

I think the question is, “What happened after K&G made their statements to the FLOs?”

And that is a question not answered by the file.  There needs to be an inquiry into the roles of the FLO.  Did they just not pass on the requests made by the McCanns?  Did the PJ just ignore anything the FLO passed onto them?

You would think unless there was documented evidence of this transfer it will just be denied.  Words won't be enough.