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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #90 on: March 10, 2018, 09:26:06 PM »
Remember Gerry was telling the PJ that both he and Kate entered the apartment through the front door using the key.  Problem with that is Kate would have noticed the shutters were up and the window was open before she entered the apartment at 10:00 PM.
So decision time do the PJ believe Gerry on this point?  Decision - NO.
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Offline Carana

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #91 on: March 10, 2018, 09:49:59 PM »
Remember Gerry was telling the PJ that both he and Kate entered the apartment through the front door using the key.  Problem with that is Kate would have noticed the shutters were up and the window was open before she entered the apartment at 10:00 PM.
So decision time do the PJ believe Gerry on this point?  Decision - NO.

Yet again, there's no way of knowing whether he said that or whether there was a misunderstanding and someone got mixed up.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #92 on: March 10, 2018, 10:17:47 PM »
Yet again, there's no way of knowing whether he said that or whether there was a misunderstanding and someone got mixed up.
I suppose that can be part of the decision tree.  Was it True or false?  Or could there have been a misunderstanding?  Make a clarification.  Would you ever get out of the loop >> "Or could there have been a misunderstanding? "  How many times would you need to check each answer for a misunderstanding?
Scenario:
Kid goes missing, Police turn up and ask a question, answer is given, could that be a misunderstanding? ask the question again, answer is given, could that be a misunderstanding? ask the question again, answer is given, could that be a misunderstanding ask the question again?, ......  you might never get out of a loop like that.
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Offline Carana

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #93 on: March 10, 2018, 10:51:32 PM »
I suppose that can be part of the decision tree.  Was it True or false?  Or could there have been a misunderstanding?  Make a clarification.  Would you ever get out of the loop >> "Or could there have been a misunderstanding? "  How many times would you need to check each answer for a misunderstanding?
Scenario:
Kid goes missing, Police turn up and ask a question, answer is given, could that be a misunderstanding? ask the question again, answer is given, could that be a misunderstanding? ask the question again, answer is given, could that be a misunderstanding ask the question again?, ......  you might never get out of a loop like that.

That might be why the situation was clarified in the second interview...

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #94 on: March 11, 2018, 12:38:04 AM »
That might be why the situation was clarified in the second interview...
Well did the PJ feel that everyone had answered their questions correctly after the 2nd round of interviews?  Maybe not so great as they asked for a third round, which from what I read yesterday confirmed to the PJ they weren't telling the truth (more inconsistencies they reckoned.  Where was that now?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #95 on: March 11, 2018, 07:31:14 AM »
That must be one of the most incorrect statements you have ever made "If the mccanns are not suspects then the police must believe them".
If that was true:  A kid is missing. The police turn up to question the parents.  Every statement the parents make is believed by the investigating officers.

That didn't happen in this case.

What should happen IMO "A kid is missing. The police turn up to question the parents.  Every statement the parents make is assessed whether it is true or false by the investigating officers.

It's not just what people say.

He found the parents to be nervous and anxious, he did not see any tears from either of them although they produced noises identical to crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #96 on: March 11, 2018, 07:55:03 AM »
It's not just what people say.

He found the parents to be nervous and anxious, he did not see any tears from either of them although they produced noises identical to crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm
Yes they would be looking for other signs that would help them decide - so they can progress through the decision tree.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #97 on: March 11, 2018, 08:19:34 AM »
Found some figures about missing children in Portugal (courtesy of Paul Reis)

The "Algarve Daily News" journalist who wrote this story either is a ignorant or has manipulated the information about missing children in Portugal, when he wrote "Even though Portugal is generally a safe country for children, thousands go missing each year. The great majority are found but a significant number are not. Unfortunately, the figures are vague and incomplete." - THIS IS FALSE!!! There are 8 MISSING CHILDREN IN PORTUGAL, FROM 1994 UNTIL NOW.

“PJ investigates an average of two disappearances of children every day, mostly teenagers running away from home. Every year an average of 750 disappearances are reported, most of them teenager girls, between 14 and 17 years. The cases usually are solved in around five days.” - in “Diário de Notícias”, may 21 2008

The story published by algarvedailynews.com is a piece of shit, concerning facts about missing children in Portugal. Since 1994 there are 8 MISSING CHILDREN CASES STILL OPEN. Algarvedailynews.com is lying, when they write that “(...) in Portugal (..) thousands [of children] go missing each year” - only an average of 750 CASES OF MISSING UNDERAGED PERSONS ARE REPORTED TO PJ, every year. The algarvedaily.news is lying again, when they write that “a significant number [of those missing children] are not [found]. For the last 18 YEARS, 8 CHILDREN missing in Portugal (including Madeleine McCann) have not been found. All the others were found.

https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/another-fake-story-about-missing.html
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Offline Brietta

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #98 on: March 11, 2018, 09:24:21 AM »
It's not just what people say.

He found the parents to be nervous and anxious, he did not see any tears from either of them although they produced noises identical to crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

I don't know about anyone else but having been disgusted by the risible and mocking portrayal of grief stricken parents in the Amaral documentary ... I find the constant repetition tiresome in the extreme.

Is there a manual for how parents are supposed to vent their anguish in a situation like the one Madeleine's parents were in?  We know how the sheer despair was reproduced in the Amaral documentary.  What exactly is it you are trying to say with the extract you have chosen to quote?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #99 on: March 11, 2018, 09:35:26 AM »
That might be why the situation was clarified in the second interview...

In the second interview Gerry admitted being mistaken so not sure how it can be termed a ‘misunderstanding’ ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #100 on: March 11, 2018, 09:52:11 AM »
In the second interview Gerry admitted being mistaken so not sure how it can be termed a ‘misunderstanding’ ?

Cite... It looks like you are the one who is mistaken

Offline Carana

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #101 on: March 11, 2018, 10:03:54 AM »
In the second interview Gerry admitted being mistaken so not sure how it can be termed a ‘misunderstanding’ ?

The statement doesn't state that Gerry admitted to being mistaken:

"Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside."

He may have been, just as it could have been a diplomatic way of expressing that the first PJ officer or interpreter had.

The point was to clarify the issue.


Offline faithlilly

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #102 on: March 11, 2018, 10:28:33 AM »
The statement doesn't state that Gerry admitted to being mistaken:

"Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside."

He may have been, just as it could have been a diplomatic way of expressing that the first PJ officer or interpreter had.

The point was to clarify the issue.

Or it may be, as seems more likely, just what it seems, an individual correcting something in a previous statement.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Carana

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #103 on: March 11, 2018, 10:52:56 AM »
Or it may be, as seems more likely, just what it seems, an individual correcting something in a previous statement.

As I said, Gerry may have been mistaken, but that's not the only potential explanation, as I've pointed out numerous times.


Offline G-Unit

Re: Missing children and the statistics.
« Reply #104 on: March 11, 2018, 10:58:35 AM »
I don't know about anyone else but having been disgusted by the risible and mocking portrayal of grief stricken parents in the Amaral documentary ... I find the constant repetition tiresome in the extreme.

Is there a manual for how parents are supposed to vent their anguish in a situation like the one Madeleine's parents were in?  We know how the sheer despair was reproduced in the Amaral documentary.  What exactly is it you are trying to say with the extract you have chosen to quote?

I have no intention of ignoring evidence just because another poster doesn't like it.

My point was that policemen don't just take notice of what people say, as was being discussed, they observe how they behave too.
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