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byron

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Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #270 on: March 17, 2018, 01:32:19 PM »
More info

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/family/bbc-panoramas-richard-bilton-supporters-mccanns-asked-act-spy/


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I have no relationship with Madeleine McCann’s parents. As I have examined the case over the years, I have received warning letters from their lawyers, Carter Ruck. But I have never seen anything that makes me doubt their innocence, and I have always felt for them as parents enduring an ongoing nightmare.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #271 on: March 17, 2018, 02:03:40 PM »
Subliminal messages to whom?
If they hadn't been eliminated, the simplest would have been a PR waffly phrase to include all possibilities. Egg-on-face avoidance 101.

The PJ also reopened their investigation, and clearly stated that the McCanns weren't suspects - although I agree that that had been denied in the past just prior to arguidodom - but times have moved on. They could also have stated that they were taking the case back to zero.

The latest update was that the Met is now concentrating on a single outstanding lead.

As it hasn't been divulged what that is, speculation is still rife.

Some may still have "hope" that it's a subliminal message that it's the McCanns "whatdunnit".

I find it far more likely that both forces are still trying to work out the identity of one or more potential offenders in a broader investigation involving a spate of sexual actual/attempted/about to attempt cases in the area at the
time. As I still haven't found anything in the media that would indicate that anyone has been charged with those offences, I find that to be a likely possibility.

And, that may even include whether that or those persons were in the vicinity of Joana's disappearance at the time, for whom there is no evidence that she ever af that which I wrrrived back home that night.

How would I know?.
Having said, however, I do not believe the police do it as a conscious tactic that makes my comment global rather than specific so the answer in the context of that which I writ must be anyone and everyone.

This appears to be the last public comment by The MPS.

[i]Q: There is a chance she may still be alive.
MR: We have to keep an open mind, it is a missing person enquiry, we don’t have that definitive
evidence either way.
Q: How confident are you that you will solve the case?
MR: I wish I could say we will solve this. We solve more than 90 per cent of serious cases at Scotland
Yard. I wish I could say I could definitely solve it but a small number of cases don’t get solved. What I
have always said on this case and I’ve said to Kate and Gerry. We will do everything we can that is
possible to try to find and answer. I hope to find an answer but can’t quite guarantee and as a
professional police officer and dealing with the families in awful situations it always hurts you can’t
guarantee success, but we will do everything we can to try to get there.
Q: How long might it keep going, your investigation?
MR: It is impossible to be exactly clear. We have a small number of ongoing lines of enquiry, they are
critical and we need to deal with those and see how long it takes.
Q: You talk about lines of enquiry because last year the ex-commissioner said there was one piece of
work still to be done and when that was completed that would be the end of the investigation. You are
rather suggesting things have moved on since then and there is more to pursue, is that true?
MR: We have a small number of lines of enquiry and that’s what we are focussed on.
Q: But he was the boss and he was quite specific ‘one piece of work to do’, you are saying something
different?
MR: We have a small number of lines of enquiry, that is what we are pursuing today.
[/b][/i]
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Carana

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #272 on: March 17, 2018, 02:23:27 PM »
How would I know?.
Having said, however, I do not believe the police do it as a conscious tactic that makes my comment global rather than specific so the answer in the context of that which I writ must be anyone and everyone.

This appears to be the last public comment by The MPS.

[i]Q: There is a chance she may still be alive.
MR: We have to keep an open mind, it is a missing person enquiry, we don’t have that definitive
evidence either way.
Q: How confident are you that you will solve the case?
MR: I wish I could say we will solve this. We solve more than 90 per cent of serious cases at Scotland
Yard. I wish I could say I could definitely solve it but a small number of cases don’t get solved. What I
have always said on this case and I’ve said to Kate and Gerry. We will do everything we can that is
possible to try to find and answer. I hope to find an answer but can’t quite guarantee and as a
professional police officer and dealing with the families in awful situations it always hurts you can’t
guarantee success, but we will do everything we can to try to get there.
Q: How long might it keep going, your investigation?
MR: It is impossible to be exactly clear. We have a small number of ongoing lines of enquiry, they are
critical and we need to deal with those and see how long it takes.
Q: You talk about lines of enquiry because last year the ex-commissioner said there was one piece of
work still to be done and when that was completed that would be the end of the investigation. You are
rather suggesting things have moved on since then and there is more to pursue, is that true?
MR: We have a small number of lines of enquiry and that’s what we are focussed on.
Q: But he was the boss and he was quite specific ‘one piece of work to do’, you are saying something
different?
MR: We have a small number of lines of enquiry, that is what we are pursuing today.
[/b][/i]


Thanks for digging that out, Alice.

When did that date from?

byron

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Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #273 on: March 17, 2018, 02:31:55 PM »
Transcript of interview between AC Mark Rowley (MR) and broadcast media for use from
21:00hrs on Tuesday, 25 April.

Offline Carana

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #274 on: March 17, 2018, 02:39:06 PM »
Transcript of interview between AC Mark Rowley (MR) and broadcast media for use from
21:00hrs on Tuesday, 25 April.

Thanks Byron. Which year?

Any chance of a link from someone?

byron

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Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #275 on: March 17, 2018, 02:50:42 PM »

Offline Carana

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #276 on: March 17, 2018, 02:56:44 PM »
2017

http://findmadeleine.com/pdf/ac-rowley-transcript.pdf

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It doesn't say which year. A clue is 6 years on.

It would seem to be from end of April 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzDNDtpzDDA

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #279 on: March 17, 2018, 05:56:34 PM »
Yep! That's the one I took it from.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #280 on: March 18, 2018, 05:41:16 PM »
You have to agree that the McCanns or their representatives briefing the press against the PJ and, I believe from Bilton, Murat didn’t help ?

WE have to recall how early on the negative press was directed at the PJ.  I believe to deflect responsibility from the 'loving parents' during those first few days when apparently no one was looking for Maddie.

Why do you think they did that?

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Offline sadie

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #281 on: March 18, 2018, 11:24:33 PM »
WE have to recall how early on the negative press was directed at the PJ.  I believe to deflect responsibility from the 'loving parents' during those first few days when apparently no one was looking for Maddie.

Why do you think they did that?

Perhaps it was a reaction to the negative and untrue things, propaganda, that were being said against the Mccanns?

Perhaps it was to do with the fact that the PJ were reported as only looking for a dead Madeleine?

AIMO

Offline faithlilly

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #282 on: March 18, 2018, 11:32:58 PM »
Perhaps it was a reaction to the negative and untrue things, propaganda, that were being said against the Mccanns?

Perhaps it was to do with the fact that the PJ were reported as only looking for a dead Madeleine?

AIMO

One of the very first reports out of PDL from one of the McCann’s friends said the PJ were doing nothing. The propaganda war IMO started right there. Perhaps if the McCanns hadn’t been quite as eager to denigrate the work of the police officers from the start things would have been less nasty.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2018, 11:43:45 PM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline sadie

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #283 on: March 19, 2018, 12:07:39 AM »
One of the very first reports from PDL from one of the McCann’s friends said the PJ were doing nothing. The propaganda war IMO started right there. Perhaps if the McCanns hadn’t been quite as eager to denigrate the work of the police officers from the start things would have been less nasty.
In the early days, I read avidly everything said about The Mccanns and about The PJ.  The Mccanns praised the PJ to begin with for a good few weeks, even after the untrue propaganda being put out against them. 

It must have been dawning upon them that the PJ were not looking for a living Madeleine and were not taking notice of their wishes for an immediate reconstitution and for blood tests on the twins, yet for a long time they publicly praised the PJ.  The propaganda must have been bewildering and very hurtful to them, but they silently shouldered it and continued to praise the PJ.

Undoubtedly the mass of the PJ worked really hard, but were they led in the right direction, I wonder?


IMO

Offline faithlilly

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #284 on: March 19, 2018, 11:22:42 AM »
In the early days, I read avidly everything said about The Mccanns and about The PJ.  The Mccanns praised the PJ to begin with for a good few weeks, even after the untrue propaganda being put out against them. 

It must have been dawning upon them that the PJ were not looking for a living Madeleine and were not taking notice of their wishes for an immediate reconstitution and for blood tests on the twins, yet for a long time they publicly praised the PJ.  The propaganda must have been bewildering and very hurtful to them, but they silently shouldered it and continued to praise the PJ.

Undoubtedly the mass of the PJ worked really hard, but were they led in the right direction, I wonder?


IMO

Well the propaganda certainly seems to have worked.

The McCanns never asked for a reconstition in the early days or at any other time. A decision was made within the PJ hierarchy that a reconstition would not be feasible. Of course if you have a cite verifying your claim it would clear the matter up.

The McCanns never asked for the PJ to have the twins blood tested. Again if you have a cite for your claim it would be helpful.

Deniability was the watchword of the McCann campaign then as it is now. Always sending ‘a source’, ‘a pal’ or their spokesperson to do their dirty work meant the McCanns could say what they liked without getting their hands dirty.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2018, 01:57:15 PM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?