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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #60 on: May 21, 2018, 09:48:26 PM »
No, what is absurd are the two suggestions here that the reconstitution should have covered the men playing tennis and everything that happened from5.30pm onwards, which in case you hadn’t noticed, covered the period of putting children to bed and getting ready to go out.

So far you have done nothing to convince me your post(s) extend beyond you believe it is daft simply because you wish to say it is so.
There is hardly a cogent argument proferred by your goodself to substantiate why the investigators would not wish to test statements to the point, if you will, "does it all hang together from 17:30 til 22:00" ?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #61 on: May 21, 2018, 11:07:08 PM »
So far you have done nothing to convince me your post(s) extend beyond you believe it is daft simply because you wish to say it is so.
There is hardly a cogent argument proferred by your goodself to substantiate why the investigators would not wish to test statements to the point, if you will, "does it all hang together from 17:30 til 22:00" ?
Perhaps there’s a clue in the fact that not even the PJ considered it necessary to reconstitute the men playing tennis or the parents putting their kids to bed, probably because it would have been an entirely pointless exercise that would reveal nothing more than a few witnesses remembered coming and going from one to the other at slightly different times, and would also necessitate the presence of the children, hardly fair or beneficial to anyone to drag them into it.  But guess what?  I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything as you strike me as the sort that would argue the sky was pink if I suggested it was blue.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #62 on: May 21, 2018, 11:43:15 PM »
Perhaps there’s a clue in the fact that not even the PJ considered it necessary to reconstitute the men playing tennis or the parents putting their kids to bed, probably because it would have been an entirely pointless exercise that would reveal nothing more than a few witnesses remembered coming and going from one to the other at slightly different times, and would also necessitate the presence of the children, hardly fair or beneficial to anyone to drag them into it.  But guess what?  I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything as you strike me as the sort that would argue the sky was pink if I suggested it was blue.
Did the PJ ever define what part of the night they wanted reconstructed?  Was it just whether Jane could pass by Gerry and Jez and not be  seen?  Or was it how Matt did his check?

I can't see how any of those could be reconstructed and for all the previous scenarios that played out for the week would not be replicated.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2018, 12:22:57 AM »
3 - The re-enactment, within the LOR, shall take place probably on May 15, 2008, between 5.30 p.m. and 11 p.m., thus covering the time period before dinner, dinner time and about an hour after having checked that the child had gone missing;

5 - The re-enactment will be carried out with the attendance of the nine holidaying friends, as well as, incidentally, any figurant considered to be necessary for a visualization of the events, i.e. a man carrying a child;

14 - The PJ considers this re-enactment to be highly important, and hopes the witnesses show their total cooperation, as they have been doing so far, towards finding out the truth.

Paulo Rebelo

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2018, 06:12:35 AM »
3 - The re-enactment, within the LOR, shall take place probably on May 15, 2008, between 5.30 p.m. and 11 p.m., thus covering the time period before dinner, dinner time and about an hour after having checked that the child had gone missing;

5 - The re-enactment will be carried out with the attendance of the nine holidaying friends, as well as, incidentally, any figurant considered to be necessary for a visualization of the events, i.e. a man carrying a child;

14 - The PJ considers this re-enactment to be highly important, and hopes the witnesses show their total cooperation, as they have been doing so far, towards finding out the truth.

Paulo Rebelo

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm

But you could imagine the chaos for how can people re-enact the night in a logical way.  If it was like a movie it takes hours to film just a minute of the final movie.  You could not expect someone to follow the exact same steps they had a year before, as I doubt if it could be remembered accurately.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2018, 06:16:51 AM »
3 - The re-enactment, within the LOR, shall take place probably on May 15, 2008, between 5.30 p.m. and 11 p.m., thus covering the time period before dinner, dinner time and about an hour after having checked that the child had gone missing;

5 - The re-enactment will be carried out with the attendance of the nine holidaying friends, as well as, incidentally, any figurant considered to be necessary for a visualization of the events, i.e. a man carrying a child;

14 - The PJ considers this re-enactment to be highly important, and hopes the witnesses show their total cooperation, as they have been doing so far, towards finding out the truth.

Paulo Rebelo

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm
Interesting that Rebelo acknowledges the “total cooperation “ of the Tapas group towards finding out the truth (up until that point anyway - aren’t we always being told the complete opposite by McCann critics?)
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2018, 07:06:04 AM »
Interesting that Rebelo acknowledges the “total cooperation “ of the Tapas group towards finding out the truth (up until that point anyway - aren’t we always being told the complete opposite by McCann critics?)

If he wanted them to attend he was more likely to persuade them with a carrot rather than a stick. As usual, the group had their own point of view. The Oldfields said;

We remain unconvinced that this reconstruction is necessary. Our most significant question hasn't been answered, ie, how is it going to help find Madeleine/materially benefit the search for her?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm

In my opinion that demonstrates the core problem with this case. The Tapas group are adamant that Madeleine was abducted, she is out there somewhere to be found, and the PJ should be concentrating on searching for her, not trying to verify their movements.

I find it difficult to understand why they refused, because if they were confident that their story was correct, the best way to convince the PJ would have been to show them how it all happened. Their reluctance can be interpreted as fear of being 'stitched up', but it can also be interpreted as fear of being shown to have got their timeline wrong, in my opinion.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2018, 07:09:09 AM »
If he wanted them to attend he was more likely to persuade them with a carrot rather than a stick. As usual, the group had their own point of view. The Oldfields said;

We remain unconvinced that this reconstruction is necessary. Our most significant question hasn't been answered, ie, how is it going to help find Madeleine/materially benefit the search for her?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm

In my opinion that demonstrates the core problem with this case. The Tapas group are adamant that Madeleine was abducted, she is out there somewhere to be found, and the PJ should be concentrating on searching for her, not trying to verify their movements.

I find it difficult to understand why they refused, because if they were confident that their story was correct, the best way to convince the PJ would have been to show them how it all happened. Their reluctance can be interpreted as fear of being 'stitched up', but it can also be interpreted as fear of being shown to have got their timeline wrong, in my opinion.
Why didn’t the PJ make it clear to the group how a reconstitution would help to find Madeleine or benefit the search for her?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2018, 07:51:49 AM »
Why didn’t the PJ make it clear to the group how a reconstitution would help to find Madeleine or benefit the search for her?

In my opinion both you and the group are aware that that wasn't the purpose of the reconstitution.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2018, 08:47:16 AM »
In my opinion both you and the group are aware that that wasn't the purpose of the reconstitution.
well what do you think it was?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2018, 08:49:36 AM »
What on earth happened to Gerry McCann's alleged "selective memories"?  Have we run out of them already?

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2018, 09:10:52 AM »
In my opinion both you and the group are aware that that wasn't the purpose of the reconstitution.
Then what was the purpose of it?  I realise this is off topic, so maybe we could use the last few posts to start a new thread about it. 
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Offline Brietta

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2018, 09:28:42 AM »
Then what was the purpose of it?  I realise this is off topic, so maybe we could use the last few posts to start a new thread about it.

       8((()*/ Good thinking!  Sorry to be pedantic about it ... being very prone to doing a bit of wandering myself ... but I think if we go to the bother of starting threads on a particular issue we should at least make the attempt to confine discussion to that.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2018, 09:42:33 AM »
What on earth happened to Gerry McCann's alleged "selective memories"?  Have we run out of them already?

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When Gerry and the other T9 were to do  their re-enactment would be using their selective memory.  That is why I thought the re-enactment was still on topic.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Examples of Gerry McCanns Selective Memories
« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2018, 09:49:55 AM »
When Gerry and the other T9 were to do  their re-enactment would be using their selective memory.  That is why I thought the re-enactment was still on topic.
Yes, whose selective memory would the PJ have selected as being the right one, and based on what, one wonders....
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