Timeline May 3rd

[The General]

According to both the McCanns the reason they actually looked into the children's bedroom on 3rd was because the door to their bedroom had moved. Therefore I assume that they wouldn't have looked in the bedroom if the door had been as it normally was. That suggests that all their previous checks were listening checks. They listened from inside, but didn't look.

Exactly, in my opinion that means non-intrusive. They didn't want a repeat of the previous night and ruin the convivialities. (I don't think that word exists, but it does now, The General has decreed - please feel free to use the word 'convivialities' going forward and I'll email Oxford English tomorrow about it).

[Lace]

According to both the McCanns the reason they actually looked into the children's bedroom on 3rd was because the door to their bedroom had moved. Therefore I assume that they wouldn't have looked in the bedroom if the door had been as it normally was. That suggests that all their previous checks were listening checks. They listened from inside, but didn't look.

You don't know what they did.  Though when my children were that young,  I sometimes just listened outside the door as going in might have woken them up.

[The General]

You don't know what they did.  Though when my children were that young,  I sometimes just listened outside the door as going in might have woken them up.

Did you then nip back out and join your mates for drinks at the bar and eave them unattended with an open door? Context is everything.
I went to Ninja School for 3 years to ensure I had the necessary skills to ensure I didn't wake my kids up - BY WALKING AROUND THE HOUSE AND ALL THAT!

[Lace]

Did you then nip back out and join your mates for drinks at the bar and eave them unattended with an open door? Context is everything.
I went to Ninja School for 3 years to ensure I had the necessary skills to ensure I didn't wake my kids up - BY WALKING AROUND THE HOUSE AND ALL THAT!

I don't agree with the McCann's leaving their children alone,  they thought it was safe to do so,  they were staying on a child friendly site.   They checked the children.   No one expects someone to take their child do they?

[The General]

I don't agree with the McCann's leaving their children alone,  they thought it was safe to do so,  they were staying on a child friendly site.   They checked the children.   No one expects someone to take their child do they?

Yes, they do. It's a simple risk assessment. At the very least they totally miscalculated the risk. Doctor's do risk assessment in their sleep.
If they would have locked the door as a control measure, that risk becomes almost nil.
And the PJ are idiots? The conceit.

[Lace]

Yes, they do. It's a simple risk assessment. At the very least they totally miscalculated the risk. Doctor's do risk assessment in their sleep.
If they would have locked the door as a control measure, that risk becomes almost nil.
And the PJ are idiots? The conceit.

It was not the McCann's fault Madeleine was abducted,  its the fault of the sick individual who took her.  Children are taken in the day time,  should the parents have been watching them then?   One child was taken from her bath,  should the mother have known that was going to happen?

[jassi]

It was not the McCann's fault Madeleine was abducted,  its the fault of the sick individual who took her.  Children are taken in the day time,  should the parents have been watching them then?   One child was taken from her bath,  should the mother have known that was going to happen?

Look at a slightly different scenario.
Suppose that a child had been abducted while under the supervision of the OC nannies.
Who would be blamed ?

[The General]

It was not the McCann's fault Madeleine was abducted,  its the fault of the sick individual who took her.  Children are taken in the day time,  should the parents have been watching them then?   One child was taken from her bath,  should the mother have known that was going to happen?

Remove the root cause. If the shutters had been 'jemmied', as was the original fairy tale, I'd have some sympathy.
The actions of a l’homme moyen.

[The General]

Look at a slightly different scenario.
Suppose that a child had been abducted while under the supervision of the OC nannies.
Who would be blamed ?

Wait, what? The OC had nannies?

[kizzy]

Wait, what? The OC had nannies?

Same ones who looked after them during the day at the creche.

IIRC the MCCS dint want them for the night. babysitting didn't want to leave them with strangers 

[Lace]

Look at a slightly different scenario.
Suppose that a child had been abducted while under the supervision of the OC nannies.
Who would be blamed ?

The abductor.

[jassi]

The abductor.

Nobody else?

You don't think the company would be pilloried and sued for negligence ?

You think the parents would have shrugged and said it was just one of those things ?

[Lace]

Nobody else?

You don't think the company would be pilloried and sued for negligence ?

You think the parents would have shrugged and said it was just one of those things ?

You asked me who would be blamed,  the abductor would be blamed for taking her obviously.

[jassi]

You asked me who would be blamed,  the abductor would be blamed for taking her obviously.

So you think the company would not be blamed  and sued for negligence?

[G-Unit]

I don't agree with the McCann's leaving their children alone,  they thought it was safe to do so,  they were staying on a child friendly site.   They checked the children.   No one expects someone to take their child do they?

The NSPCC don't have a caveat yet, perhaps someone should suggest it;

Infants and young children aged 0-3 years old should never be left alone – even for 15 minutes while you pop down the road. This applies not just to leaving them home alone but also in your car while you run into the shops or in another room on their own.
https://www.nspcc.org.uk/keeping-children-safe/in-the-home/home-alone/#age

Maybe they should add "Unless on holiday in a resort which you consider to be child-friendly and safe and you check on them every 30 minutes"