Mark Warner Holidays

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Some of the holiday group seemed keen to demonstrate their knowledge of Mark Warner Holidays and the nature of their 'listening service' which they say they copied. Did any of them have first hand experience of the service? Fiona Payne seemed confused;

We'd all been on MARK WARNER holidays, erm, in Greece, erm, I don't think anyone had been anywhere else in Europe, but all those MARK WARNER holidays had, were very much the same, erm, different resorts but the same sort of layout, the same hypothesis of, you know, having kid time and adult time.

Erm, I'd been on holiday with Dave, erm, and our children, with Matt and Rachael and their child, Grace, and Russ and Jane and their two children and we'd been to Greece for a week. Erm, it wasn't a MARK WARNER, it was, erm, I can't remember which company it was with, but it was a very small holiday, erm, environment, where you sort of had all the walled off area with a few villas and a shared pool and a restaurant, erm, and we had a great time and we've all got very young children and the kids had a great time.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

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Some of the holiday group seemed keen to demonstrate their knowledge of Mark Warner Holidays and the nature of their 'listening service' which they say they copied. Did any of them have first hand experience of the service? Fiona Payne seemed confused;

We'd all been on MARK WARNER holidays, erm, in Greece, erm, I don't think anyone had been anywhere else in Europe, but all those MARK WARNER holidays had, were very much the same, erm, different resorts but the same sort of layout, the same hypothesis of, you know, having kid time and adult time.

Erm, I'd been on holiday with Dave, erm, and our children, with Matt and Rachael and their child, Grace, and Russ and Jane and their two children and we'd been to Greece for a week. Erm, it wasn't a MARK WARNER, it was, erm, I can't remember which company it was with, but it was a very small holiday, erm, environment, where you sort of had all the walled off area with a few villas and a shared pool and a restaurant, erm, and we had a great time and we've all got very young children and the kids had a great time.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

So what?  She’d been on a number of holidays, staying in a Mark Warner and similar resorts in Greece, how very suspicious.

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Let’s read the quote verbatim shall we, and see how we can make something out of nothing...

“Okay. Erm, I think the idea had first come about really back, erm, in the previous year. Erm, I'd been on holiday with Dave, erm, and our children, with Matt and Rachael and their child, Grace, and Russ and Jane and their two children and we'd been to Greece for a week. Erm, it wasn't a MARK WARNER, it was, erm, I can't remember which company it was with, but it was a very small holiday, erm, environment, where you sort of had all the walled off area with a few villas and a shared pool and a restaurant, erm, and we had a great time and we've all got very young children and the kids had a great time. So the, the idea was sort of seeded, you know, that it would be nice to do a similar thing again. We'd also been on the year before a kind of, another group villa holiday with friends, Kate and Gerry being, erm, one of that group. So we just found with young children it was a really nice way of, of having a holiday. So it was our suggestion I think, erm, January time, it was just after Christmas, erm, you know, I'd just gone back to work, I was going back to work in March and just wanted something to sort of look forward to. Erm, and the others, again Jane and, erm, Russell and Matt and Rachael had been on MARK WARNER holidays before and had really enjoyed it as had Dave and I. So the idea of a MARK WARNER holiday sort of came up then really, thinking oh that would be great with the kids and it would also the adults some time to do some sports, we're all quite sporty, we're particular into sort of water sports and others into tennis, so we thought well, you know, it would be a nice, a nice holiday”.

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Jane Tanner claims to have used Mark Warner in 2005, and Russell O'Brien agrees. The system seems slightly different from the one created by the group in Luz, however, with the nannies being inside the block of
apartments;

In May 2005 she was in Greece for one week with ROB and her daughter. It was the first time they travelled using the Mark Warner agency.

She admitted that on her holiday in Greece she also left her daughters alone in the apartment knowing that there were two or three child-minders in the block where they stayed to take care of/ascertain the noises (screams, cries, or other), [it being] incumbent upon [the minders] to notify the parents who, meanwhile, were absent. Those holidays were also organised by Mark Warner.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm

The deponent clarifies that, when they were on holiday in Greece via a booking with Markwarner, they verified that they had available a type of service called 'baby listening
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

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So no acknowledgement that you were wrong to accuse Fiona Payne of seeming “confused” (a favourite euphemism).

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Rachael Oldfield claims she went to Greece in 2006, but not with Mark Warner;

Concerning the monitoring of the children every half hour, it was inspired by the system that "Mark Warner" has and which is known as "baby listening" and she had used this service in 2006 when they stayed at a holiday resort in Greece.

we'd all, we'd all done Mark WARNER holidays before sort of separately, that was the Portuguese holiday was the fourth Mark WARNER holiday that Matt and I had done and we did a couple before Grace was born and then we did one with her, erm and then our September holiday in Greece in two thousand and six, you know was just so good because of all the kids and had a great time, it wasn't Mark WARNER,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

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Rachael Oldfield claims she went to Greece in 2006, but not with Mark Warner;

Concerning the monitoring of the children every half hour, it was inspired by the system that "Mark Warner" has and which is known as "baby listening" and she had used this service in 2006 when they stayed at a holiday resort in Greece.

we'd all, we'd all done Mark WARNER holidays before sort of separately, that was the Portuguese holiday was the fourth Mark WARNER holiday that Matt and I had done and we did a couple before Grace was born and then we did one with her, erm and then our September holiday in Greece in two thousand and six, you know was just so good because of all the kids and had a great time, it wasn't Mark WARNER,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Consistent with Fiona’s statement - and?

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So no acknowledgement that you were wrong to accuse Fiona Payne of seeming “confused” (a favourite euphemism).

She may have been to Mark Warner but she knew little about the 'listening service';

Reply "I mean in, at the other resorts that we've been to err I believe they do it every thirty minutes err you know as I say we actually haven't used that service when we've been but you know the friends who have they've, they've said it's around thirty minutes.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

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She may have been to Mark Warner but she knew little about the 'listening service';

Reply "I mean in, at the other resorts that we've been to err I believe they do it every thirty minutes err you know as I say we actually haven't used that service when we've been but you know the friends who have they've, they've said it's around thirty minutes.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

So what?  Did she ever claim to be an expert on the subject?  Are you not trying to make something of nothing?

[Robittybob1]

I would think a resort with a listening service would be safer than one without it.  Having someone patrolling and moving about on the lookout for strangers.

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I would think a resort with a listening service would be safer than one without it.  Having someone patrolling and moving about on the lookout for strangers.

Listening services are usually offered on private property, so the only people around should be guests and staff.

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Listening services are usually offered on private property, so the only people around should be guests and staff.

Why would it not be considered a safe option in a resort like the OC then?

[Robittybob1]

Listening services are usually offered on private property, so the only people around should be guests and staff.

Do you agree with me then?  My theory "I think a resort with a listening service would be safer than one without it.  Having someone patrolling and moving about on the lookout for strangers" is an advantage.

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Do you agree with me then?  My theory "I think a resort with a listening service would be safer than one without it.  Having someone patrolling and moving about on the lookout for strangers".

It depends what you mean by resort. Praia da Luz was a holiday resort, but not a Mark Warner resort. The only people allowed in most Mark Warner resorts are the guests and the staff, especially in the evenings. That public versus private space is a significant difference in my opinion.

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Why would it not be considered a safe option in a resort like the OC then?

I don't see it as a safe option full stop, but it's safer in a private area than a public one for obvious reasons.