Mark Warner Holidays

[slartibartfast]

So that’s the reason why there was no listening service at the OC, nothing to do with it being a “public” place then?

You to have missed the fact that premises owned and controlled by an entity is by default not public.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You to have missed the fact that premises owned and controlled by an entity is by default not public.

You seem to have missed the word seem but never mind.  I don’t quite inderstand you point -was Apartment 5a public or private in your view?  G-Unit seems to be suggesting that it was a public place, do you agree?

[Robittybob1]

So that’s the reason why there was no listening service at the OC, nothing to do with it being a “public” place then?

It has been said but I don't know who by but the Ocean Club Luz was too spread out to have an effective listening service. 

[Robittybob1]

You seem to have missed the word seem bit never mind.  I don’t quite inderstand you point -was Apartment 5a public or private in your view?  G-Unit seems to be suggesting that it was a public place, do you agree?

It was bordered by 3 public roads and a fence on the 4th side.  It was situated within a public place.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was bordered by 3 public roads and a fence on the 4th side.  It was situated within a public place.

As are many private residences but I wouldn’t describe them as public places.

[Robittybob1]

Strange that Silvia Batista didn't mention that in any of the interviews she gave to the Policia Judicairia.

IMO it could be, but that could be incriminating therefore doesn't need mentioning during witness interviews.

I just read another on-line book on the McCann case "Madeleine Beth McCann - A mystery Story"  by Albert Moisiu (which does not seem to be referenced on this forum before), brought home to me once again the pivotal role Silvia Batista has over this case in particular her control over the areas searched by the cadaver dogs, she controlled the keys hence the access.

[Brietta]

It was bordered by 3 public roads and a fence on the 4th side.  It was situated within a public place.

I wonder what the McCann family knew about this resort. For example did they know that their lodging was in private ownership and was managed by the holiday company not owned by them.

It certainly was not obvious that the part of the village where the apartments were was anything other than practically self contained because all the apartment blocks were so similar.

[Brietta]

IMO it could be, but that could be incriminating therefore doesn't need mentioning during witness interviews.

I just read another on-line book on the McCann case "Madeleine Beth McCann - A mystery Story"  by Albert Moisiu (which does not seem to be referenced on this forum before), brought home to me once again the pivotal role Silvia Batista has over this case in particular her control over the areas searched by the cadaver dogs, she controlled the keys hence the access.

Some of the incriminating misunderstandings used against the McCanns were lifted directly from her statements.

[Robittybob1]

As are many private residences but I wouldn’t describe them as public places.

Each property would be private but if a person was on the public road is there an issue or not?  The resort was too spread out to be covered by a listening service.  Is that just an excuse?  Who knows but I know I have seen it written before.  OK maybe it needed more people to man up a listening service.  Who is paying for the extra staff?
It would come back to a cost benefit analysis IMO.  At Luz they had nannies doing the child care facilities and the same staff would get baby sitting jobs in the evenings paid for by the clients.

[Robittybob1]

Some of the incriminating misunderstandings used against the McCanns were lifted directly from her statements.

I take that to mean from Silvia's statements.  They seem to be allowed to make suggestions about other people but not about themselves.

[Robittybob1]

I wonder what the McCann family knew about this resort. For example did they know that their lodging was in private ownership and was managed by the holiday company not owned by them.

It certainly was not obvious that the part of the village where the apartments were was anything other than practically self contained because all the apartment blocks were so similar.

Several make the point that to get from one private part to the other part the people had to use the public road for a short section.  What worried me more was the access back to the Tapas area was controlled by an access door that could not be guaranteed to be open at all times.

[Alice Purjorick]

Some of the incriminating misunderstandings used against the McCanns were lifted directly from her statements.

What precisely is an "incriminating misunderstanding" ?
The accepted definition of incriminate is to make, someone, appear guilty of a crime or wrongdoing.
Incriminating someone of a crime ain't just accusing them one needs to offer up some evidence they're guilty.
The crunch is just what criminal activity was Silvia Batista offering evidence of albeit "accidentally".
Laving kids on their own is not a criminal offence in Portugal unless there has been intent that harm befalls them
[see case archiving documentation].

[sadie]

Several make the point that to get from one private part to the other part the people had to use the public road for a short section.  What worried me more was the access back to the Tapas area was controlled by an access door that could not be guaranteed to be open at all times.

The access door was open all the time that we ate there .... and no-one from OC was in attendence

[Robittybob1]

The access door was open all the time that we ate there .... and no-one from OC was in attendence

Yes that could be true but what would have needed to be done to close the door?  Was it just clipped open?

[G-Unit]

I wonder what the McCann family knew about this resort. For example did they know that their lodging was in private ownership and was managed by the holiday company not owned by them.

It certainly was not obvious that the part of the village where the apartments were was anything other than practically self contained because all the apartment blocks were so similar.

Russell knew that the blocks contained both private and holiday accommodation;

 MARK WARNER didn’t own every, every apartment in every block, they had a, sort of a splattering of apartments across the Ocean Club.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm