Mark Warner Holidays

[Sunny]

I would furthermore remind you that at concerts the seating is usually tiered.  Gerry and Fiona were not in a tiered arrangement, but both sitting on level ground

I was actually thinking about school concerts, where we are all level in the school hall Sadie. Obviously seating in concerts are generally tiered although I have been to some where I was seated on the flat area too and generally, although I am not too tall, have had no problem seeing as height differences are generally ameliorated when sitting down.

Whatever you say I will find it difficult to believe that Gerry had a good view of 5a because he was 50m+ away in the dark, looking through a plastic screen and as he was in a lit environment then the dark would appear accentuated.   Have you ever looked outside your window from your house, when it was dark outside.  You don't see a lot.

All IMO apart from my concert experiences of course.

[Robittybob1]

I was actually thinking about school concerts, where we are all level in the school hall Sadie. Obviously seating in concerts are generally tiered although I have been to some where I was seated on the flat area too and generally, although I am not too tall, have had no problem seeing as height differences are generally ameliorated when sitting down.

Whatever you say I will find it difficult to believe that Gerry had a good view of 5a because he was 50m+ away in the dark, looking through a plastic screen and as he was in a lit environment then the dark would appear accentuated.   Have you ever looked outside your window from your house, when it was dark outside.  You don't see a lot.

All IMO apart from my concert experiences of course.

Some very valid points raised here.

[Brietta]

Some very valid points raised here.

And at the end of the day what does it all actually matter in relation to whatever it was that befell Madeleine McCann?

[G-Unit]

And at the end of the day what does it all actually matter in relation to whatever it was that befell Madeleine McCann?

It matters when assessing the quality of the evidence given by those who were responsible for Madeleine's care.

[Brietta]

It matters when assessing the quality of the evidence given by those who were responsible for Madeleine's care.

Who are you ~ me ~ or any internet voyeur to 'assess' the quality of anything on the internet ... apart from reading and assessing customer reviews of the performance of appliances.

The experts of the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard who have access to ALL available information have carried out any assessment that matters and have acted and are acting as a result.  Theirs is the only assessment worth bothering with in the search for Madeleine.
In my opinion ill informed speculation cannot hold a candle to that.

There is no problem in assessing the performance of Mark Warner holidays as a topic ... particularly as some may actually have first hand experience of such.
However it is my opinion that police investigations are best left to the police ... particularly active ones dealing with real lives and real people.

[G-Unit]

Who are you ~ me ~ or any internet voyeur to 'assess' the quality of anything on the internet ... apart from reading and assessing customer reviews of the performance of appliances.

The experts of the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard who have access to ALL available information have carried out any assessment that matters and have acted and are acting as a result.  Theirs is the only assessment worth bothering with in the search for Madeleine.
In my opinion ill informed speculation cannot hold a candle to that.

There is no problem in assessing the performance of Mark Warner holidays as a topic ... particularly as some may actually have first hand experience of such.
However it is my opinion that police investigations are best left to the police ... particularly active ones dealing with real lives and real people.

Why voyeurs have been mentioned escapes me, although I have heard of a child sex voyeur taking an interest in the case.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It matters when assessing the quality of the evidence given by those who were responsible for Madeleine's care.

I wasn’t aware eye witness evidence was assessed on its quality.

[Brietta]

Why voyeurs have been mentioned escapes me, although I have heard of a child sex voyeur taking an interest in the case.

Indeed ... and moderators take great pains when inappropriate comment of that type is posted here.

"voyeur
noun
a person who enjoys seeing the pain or distress of others."

Which definition is in my opinion admirably suited to describe many of those who keep up a keen interest in maintaining a stance of 'questioning' every nuance of the existence of people they actually know nothing about.

[G-Unit]

Indeed ... and moderators take great pains when inappropriate comment of that type is posted here.

"voyeur
noun
a person who enjoys seeing the pain or distress of others."

Which definition is in my opinion admirably suited to describe many of those who keep up a keen interest in maintaining a stance of 'questioning' every nuance of the existence of people they actually know nothing about.

Allegedly.

[G-Unit]

Who are you ~ me ~ or any internet voyeur to 'assess' the quality of anything on the internet ... apart from reading and assessing customer reviews of the performance of appliances.

The experts of the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard who have access to ALL available information have carried out any assessment that matters and have acted and are acting as a result.  Theirs is the only assessment worth bothering with in the search for Madeleine.
In my opinion ill informed speculation cannot hold a candle to that.

There is no problem in assessing the performance of Mark Warner holidays as a topic ... particularly as some may actually have first hand experience of such.
However it is my opinion that police investigations are best left to the police ... particularly active ones dealing with real lives and real people.

I may be completely wrong, but your attitude to certain professionals reminds me very much of the mid 20th century. Doctors, solicitors, teachers, clergy, MP's and the police were given a great deal of respect and were never questioned.Times have changed since then and they have been exposed as just as prone to making mistakes as everyone else.

[Mr Gray]

I may be completely wrong, but your attitude to certain professionals reminds me very much of the mid 20th century. Doctors, solicitors, teachers, clergy, MP's and the police were given a great deal of respect and were never questioned.Times have changed since then and they have been exposed as just as prone to making mistakes as everyone else.

I totally agree that we should be free to question all professionals.... including the PJ and dog handlers...and of course SC judges

[ShiningInLuz]

Who are you ~ me ~ or any internet voyeur to 'assess' the quality of anything on the internet ... apart from reading and assessing customer reviews of the performance of appliances.

The experts of the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard who have access to ALL available information have carried out any assessment that matters and have acted and are acting as a result.  Theirs is the only assessment worth bothering with in the search for Madeleine.
In my opinion ill informed speculation cannot hold a candle to that.

There is no problem in assessing the performance of Mark Warner holidays as a topic ... particularly as some may actually have first hand experience of such.
However it is my opinion that police investigations are best left to the police ... particularly active ones dealing with real lives and real people.

If you really feel like that, then perhaps it is time to think about resigning from the forum.

NB I also consider the term voyeur to be beyond the pale.

[Brietta]

Allegedly.

Allegedly what?

[Brietta]

If you really feel like that, then perhaps it is time to think about resigning from the forum.

NB I also consider the term voyeur to be beyond the pale.

Then one can only hope that eventually your command of the Portuguese language will surpass your understanding of the English one.

Did you miss the part of my post which vaguely touched upon the topic of the thread?

Allow me to reiterate ... "There is no problem in assessing the performance of Mark Warner holidays as a topic ... particularly as some may actually have first hand experience of such.
However it is my opinion that police investigations are best left to the police ... particularly active ones dealing with real lives and real people."

In my opinion ~ it is becoming more and more apparent that it is considered by some to be no fun in actually adhering to the topic of a thread when there may be the opportunity of a bun fight in the offing.

[ShiningInLuz]

Then one can only hope that eventually your command of the Portuguese language will surpass your understanding of the English one.

Did you miss the part of my post which vaguely touched upon the topic of the thread?

Allow me to reiterate ... "There is no problem in assessing the performance of Mark Warner holidays as a topic ... particularly as some may actually have first hand experience of such.
However it is my opinion that police investigations are best left to the police ... particularly active ones dealing with real lives and real people."

In my opinion ~ it is becoming more and more apparent that it is considered by some to be no fun in actually adhering to the topic of a thread when there may be the opportunity of a bun fight in the offing.

So take your own advice and quit the forum.  Leave it to the the PJ and OG.

And I still find your description of forum members as voyeurs to be extreme.