Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Miss Taken Identity]

As far as the calpol claim is concerned it has been established that none of the skeptic members on this forum,as far as I am aware, hold this view and never have. Bit of a moot thread in that respect.

However, there is still the question about Kate claiming the children were drugged. Again-As an afterthought.

I would like to know the reason for this claim and who could have the  time, skill and knowledge to administer it. Was this a brush off remark or a genuine offer of information due to some presenting evidence?

[G-Unit]

As far as the calpol claim is concerned it has been established that none of the skeptic members on this forum,as far as I am aware, hold this view and never have. Bit of a moot thread in that respect.

However, there is still the question about Kate claiming the children were drugged. Again-As an afterthought.

I would like to know the reason for this claim and who could have the  time, skill and knowledge to administer it. Was this a brush off remark or a genuine offer of information due to some presenting evidence?

Kate was still of the same opinion in her 2011 book;

"we had always suspected that all three children might have been sedated by the abductor"

Why? Assumptions;

"Sean and Amelie had hardly moved in their cots, let alone woken up, despite the commotion in the apartment..............Madeleine was snatched apparently without making a sound"

How?

I have been unable to find anything on that subject.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Kate was still of the same opinion in her 2011 book;

"we had always suspected that all three children might have been sedated by the abductor"

Why? Assumptions;

"Sean and Amelie had hardly moved in their cots, let alone woken up, despite the commotion in the apartment..............Madeleine was snatched apparently without making a sound"

How?

I have been unable to find anything on that subject.

How what?

[Robittybob1]

Kate was still of the same opinion in her 2011 book;

"we had always suspected that all three children might have been sedated by the abductor"

Why? Assumptions;

"Sean and Amelie had hardly moved in their cots, let alone woken up, despite the commotion in the apartment..............Madeleine was snatched apparently without making a sound"

How?

I have been unable to find anything on that subject.

I'd call them observations not assumptions. "Sean and Amelie had hardly moved in their cots, let alone woken up, despite the commotion in the apartment."

"Madeleine was snatched apparently without making a sound"  Well who heard her?

[sadie]

I'd call them observations not assumptions. "Sean and Amelie had hardly moved in their cots, let alone woken up, despite the commotion in the apartment."

"Madeleine was snatched apparently without making a sound"  Well who heard her?

Well who heard her ?      Good one Rob!

[misty]

@ShiningInLuz

A story has surfaced elsewhere, via Anne Guedes, about Paiva & Amaral wanting to check the empty milk cartons left in the apartment on 3/5 which had been used to dispense the 3 children's bedtime drinks. Presumably this relates in some way to the possibility of sedation. Could you check out the provenance of this story, please?

[ShiningInLuz]

@ShiningInLuz

A story has surfaced elsewhere, via Anne Guedes, about Paiva & Amaral wanting to check the empty milk cartons left in the apartment on 3/5 which had been used to dispense the 3 children's bedtime drinks. Presumably this relates in some way to the possibility of sedation. Could you check out the provenance of this story, please?

Apologies for the delay - this disappeared off my radar.

In answer to your question re provenance, sorry, no.

Anne occasionally comments on my blog.  Beyond that, we are not in communication.

Anne is not hard to find on the Internet, and you could always try via her blog.

I haven't heard anything before this about empty milk cartons.

[misty]

Apologies for the delay - this disappeared off my radar.

In answer to your question re provenance, sorry, no.

Anne occasionally comments on my blog.  Beyond that, we are not in communication.

Anne is not hard to find on the Internet, and you could always try via her blog.

I haven't heard anything before this about empty milk cartons.

OK, thanks anyway. I was just interested in when Paiva & Amaral allegedly decided they wanted to test the milk cartons. Given all the other potential evidence which slipped though the PJ net IMO, somehow retaining the trash from 5A that evening would not have been a priority imo.

[Robittybob1]

OK, thanks anyway. I was just interested in when Paiva & Amaral allegedly decided they wanted to test the milk cartons. Given all the other potential evidence which slipped though the PJ net IMO, somehow retaining the trash from 5A that evening would not have been a priority imo.

They didn't retain the bed sheets so I too imagine they never thought of retaining the rubbish.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I'd call them observations not assumptions. "Sean and Amelie had hardly moved in their cots, let alone woken up, despite the commotion in the apartment."

"Madeleine was snatched apparently without making a sound"  Well who heard her?

I think assumption is the correct use in the case of Kate saying "Madeleine was snatched apparently without making a sound"

How could Kate possibly know her daughter was snatched from her bed, and how could she know her daughter did not make a sound  as this snatching took place-if she wasn't there?

The suspicion is: the children were light sleepers, they had woke during the night we know this because of  Mrs Fenns statement and Maddie also asks about being left alone and waking up, and we are told they left and  used a certain entrance so as not to wake the children.

 However, on this occasion this one night  we have shutters  Being jemmied, cold night and the window is open-blowing curtains, banging doors, more checks than usual for that week by various tapas crew, lots of people in and out the apartment- the bedroom. parents screeching- people shouting for MBM in the vacinity. and the children who could wake up with a light on or door opening slept through all that. Yes. that does rouse suspicion.

[Robittybob1]

I think assumption is the correct use in the case of Kate saying "Madeleine was snatched apparently without making a sound"

How could Kate possibly know her daughter was snatched from her bed, and how could she know her daughter did not make a sound  as this snatching took place-if she wasn't there?

The suspicion is: the children were light sleepers, they had woke during the night we know this because of  Mrs Fenns statement and Maddie also asks about being left alone and waking up, and we are told they left and  used a certain entrance so as not to wake the children.

 However, on this occasion this one night  we have shutters  Being jemmied, cold night and the window is open-blowing curtains, banging doors, more checks than usual for that week by various tapas crew, lots of people in and out the apartment- the bedroom. parents screeching- people shouting for MBM in the vacinity. and the children who could wake up with a light on or door opening slept through all that. Yes. that does rouse suspicion.

You might be suspicious but to me they are deductions from the observation Kate made.

[G-Unit]

You might be suspicious but to me they are deductions from the observation Kate made.

To observe something you have to see it. Kate McCann didn't see her daughter being carried off so couldn't deduce anything.

[Robittybob1]

To observe something you have to see it. Kate McCann didn't see her daughter being carried off so couldn't deduce anything.

Look at the meaning of deduction:
"deduction
deduction noun (THINKING)
​
 the process of reaching a decision or answer by thinking about the known facts, or the decision that is reached:

Through a process of deduction, the detectives discovered the identity of the killer.
All we can do is make deductions from the available facts."

So you don't observe the thing being deducted.

[G-Unit]

Look at the meaning of deduction:
"deduction
deduction noun (THINKING)
​
 the process of reaching a decision or answer by thinking about the known facts, or the decision that is reached:

Through a process of deduction, the detectives discovered the identity of the killer.
All we can do is make deductions from the available facts."

So you don't observe the thing being deducted.

So how do you deduce that someone was silent if you weren't there to see or hear?

[Mr Gray]

So how do you deduce that someone was silent if you weren't there to see or hear?

on the evidence...if you were there you would not have to deduce anything...you would know