Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Perhaps there was nothing to hear until about 22:30.

From her statement.

Hence Kate’s assumption that Madeleine made no sound, as no one in the immediate vicinity reported hearing any.

[Robittybob1]

Hence Kate’s assumption that Madeleine made no sound, as no one in the immediate vicinity reported hearing any.

Assumption or deduction

[G-Unit]

Assumption or deduction

Not only did she assume there was no sound, she assumed it was due to the child being sedated. Just as she assumed the twins didn't wake for the same reason. Even her supporters have pointed out that they might just have been tired.

[Mr Gray]

Not only did she assume there was no sound, she assumed it was due to the child being sedated. Just as she assumed the twins didn't wake for the same reason. Even her supporters have pointed out that they might just have been tired.

you are wrong...kate ddint assume the twins ahd been sedated...she questioned the possibility

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not only did she assume there was no sound, she assumed it was due to the child being sedated. Just as she assumed the twins didn't wake for the same reason. Even her supporters have pointed out that they might just have been tired.

So what?

[G-Unit]

So what?

Sp not enough evidence to deduce, she assumed.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Sp not enough evidence to deduce, she assumed.

And does that make her a bad person?  No.  Does that make her a person not to be trusted? No.  What does it make her then?  Why does it matter to you whether she deducd or assumed?  Do you have a cite for her assuming the kids had been sedated? 

[Robittybob1]

And does that make her a bad person?  No.  Does that make her a person not to be trusted? No.  What does it make her then?  Why does it matter to you whether she deducd or assumed?  Do you have a cite for her assuming the kids had been sedated?

Second nature for a doctor.  Make a diagnosis.  An assumption most of the time.

[Miss Taken Identity]

And does that make her a bad person?  No.  Does that make her a person not to be trusted? No.  What does it make her then?  Why does it matter to you whether she deducd or assumed?  Do you have a cite for her assuming the kids had been sedated?

It makes her a Dr who knew her children were light sleepers,  on this occasion  notice they were unduly quiet, even with such massive disruptions, not to tell the police at the scene, she suspected her children were sedated.

But waited and mentioned as an after thought. As a trained anaesthetist and mother of said children, this should have been very noticeable. I wonder why she didn't mention this at the time...

[Miss Taken Identity]

The Moyes were at home from around 9.15pm and were on their balcony for some of that time, they heard nothing.  Russell was also in the building and heard nothing.

That is irrelevant as we do not know what time this assumed disappearance,  from her bed by a stranger, took place.

There are no independent witnesses from when they left the creché to when Kate 'discovered' missing daughter. That is a lot of hours!

It also opens up the whole- was she abducted from the bed claims. If she wandered and was found, would she scream if she thought someone was going to help her? or if she knew the person. Only two scenarios I can think of

[Vertigo Swirl]

It makes her a Dr who knew her children were light sleepers,  on this occasion  notice they were unduly quiet, even with such massive disruptions, not to tell the police at the scene, she suspected her children were sedated.

But waited and mentioned as an after thought. As a trained anaesthetist and mother of said children, this should have been very noticeable. I wonder why she didn't mention this at the time...

How do you know she didn't mention it at the time?  Do you have a verbatim transcript of every word spoken by the woman that night?

[faithlilly]

Let’s be clear. No one who was with Kate that night mentions her desperately trying to point out to either the GNR or the PJ officers that her remaining children may have been sedated. Not Fiona Payne who was with her most of the night. Not her husband who you would have thought would be equally interested in their children’s comatose state. Not Silvia Batista who would have had to have translated Kate’s urgent requests. Not any police officer.

Further if Kate had thought her requests for help were being ignored don’t you think she would have complained about  it to someone at the time ? Her friends, her family, the FLO the next day ? She and her husband complained about the borders not being closed, why not that they didn’t receive any help when their children may have been in danger ? If true think how well that would have played in the press.

DISTRAUGHT KATE IGNORED AS HER BABIE’S LIVES HUNG IN THE BALANCE.

[faithlilly]

Ignoratio elenchi, also known as irrelevant conclusion,[1] is the informal fallacy of presenting an argument that may or may not be logically valid, but fails nonetheless to address the issue in question.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Let’s be clear. No one who was with Kate that night mentions her desperately trying to point out to either the GNR or the PJ officers that her remaining children may have been sedated. Not Fiona Payne who was with her most of the night. Not her husband who you would have thought would be equally interested in their children’s comatose state. Not Silvia Batista who would have had to have translated Kate’s urgent requests. Not any police officer.

Further if Kate had thought her requests for help were being ignored don’t you think she would have complained about  it to someone at the time ? Her friends, her family, the FLO the next day ? She and her husband complained about the borders not being closed, why not that they didn’t receive any help when their children may have been in danger ? If true think how well that would have played in the press.

DISTRAUGHT KATE IGNORED AS HER BABIE’S LIVES HUNG IN THE BALANCE.

Did Kate ever say at any point to anyone ever that she felt her "babie's" (sic) lives hung in the balance?  Or were in severe jeopardy?  Or that they were in a comatose state?

[Robittybob1]

Did Kate ever say at any point to anyone ever that she felt her "babie's" (sic) lives hung in the balance?  Or were in severe jeopardy?  Or that they were in a comatose state?

Not that I recall.