Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Lace]

Again Lace your opinion is irrelevant when the witness statements say otherwise.

If Kate had told him the twins were abnormally sleepy what reason would he have had for not summoning help ? Do you really think a police officer, perhaps with children of his own, would be so callous as to put the twins in danger ? Further why would he even mention the twins abnormally sleepy state when he knew he may be accused later on of ignoring their mother’s requests for help? Lastly who translated these requests for help ? It certainly wasn’t Silvia Batista.

He says he did mention the twins abnormally sleepy state though didn't he?   He said he thought it was strange,  so why didn't he question it when he was there?

[G-Unit]

Again Lace your opinion is irrelevant when the witness statements say otherwise.

If Kate had told him the twins were abnormally sleepy what reason would he have had for not summoning help ? Do you really think a police officer, perhaps with children of his own, would be so callous as to put the twins in danger ? Further why would he even mention the twins abnormally sleepy state when he knew he may be accused later on of ignoring their mother’s requests for help? Lastly who translated these requests for help ? It certainly wasn’t Silvia Batista.

The GNR officers were questioned again in October 2007. That's when they confirmed that the twins remained asleep while they were there; particularly during their search of the children's bedroom.

[faithlilly]

He says he did mention the twins abnormally sleepy state though didn't he?   He said he thought it was strange,  so why didn't he question it when he was there?

He did mention it but why would he if he knew he may be accused later of not acting on pleas from the children’s mother ? Why not pretend he didn’t even notice ? As to why he didn’t question it could it possibly be because the parents weren’t questioning it ?

So to round things up. Neither of the parents claimed at any time before Kate’s testing request, while Gerry was in Washington, that the twins had been sedated. Although the parents asked the FLOs if any substance had been used to facilitate their daughter’s abduction they did not tell them of their worries that the twins may have been sedated ( remember Kate’s alleged frantic requests for help on the night) or ask that they be tested. Of course if the twins had indeed been sedated the substance used could have helped in identifying a perpetrator. Not one of the people surrounding Kate that night, not even her husband, claim they witnessed Kate asking for help. The only translator present was not asked to translate Kate’s alleged pleas to the officers.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest Kate raised any concerns on the night that her children had been sedated and to claim she did in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is simply sticking your head in the sand.

[faithlilly]

The GNR officers were questioned again in October 2007. That's when they confirmed that the twins remained asleep while they were there; particularly during their search of the children's bedroom.

As the GNR officers knew nothing of the twins sleep pattern it would have been hard for them to know if sleeping that deeply was actually normal for them.

[Robittybob1]

As the GNR officers knew nothing of the twins sleep pattern it would have been hard for them to know if sleeping that deeply was actually normal for them.

That would not be the basis of their comment.

[Lace]

He did mention it but why would he if he knew he may be accused later of not acting on pleas from the children’s mother ? Why not pretend he didn’t even notice ? As to why he didn’t question it could it possibly be because the parents weren’t questioning it ?

So to round things up. Neither of the parents claimed at any time before Kate’s testing request, while Gerry was in Washington, that the twins had been sedated. Although the parents asked the FLOs if any substance had been used to facilitate their daughter’s abduction they did not tell them of their worries that the twins may have been sedated ( remember Kate’s alleged frantic requests for help on the night) or ask that they be tested. Of course if the twins had indeed been sedated the substance used could have helped in identifying a perpetrator. Not one of the people surrounding Kate that night, not even her husband, claim they witnessed Kate asking for help. The only translator present was not asked to translate Kate’s alleged pleas to the officers.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest Kate raised any concerns on the night that her children had been sedated and to claim she did in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is simply sticking your head in the sand.

It doesn't answer the question as to how the Police Officer can say the twins didn't wake up during the search of the apartment does it?   How did he know they stayed asleep?   What I am saying is the twins could have woken and gone back to sleep as far as he knew,  yet he says he found it strange they didn't wake.   

[Sunny]

It doesn't answer the question as to how the Police Officer can say the twins didn't wake up during the search of the apartment does it?   How did he know they stayed asleep?   What I am saying is the twins could have woken and gone back to sleep as far as he knew,  yet he says he found it strange they didn't wake.

How do we know if the twins had woken up then gone back to sleep. In my experience when there is a large amount of noise and a child is awoken by it particularly at night in the dark, they will let you know that they are awake very quickly and expect them to come to you.  Wouldn't you expect the twins to be scared if they woke up in a dark noisy house with no parents apparent?

[faithlilly]

It doesn't answer the question as to how the Police Officer can say the twins didn't wake up during the search of the apartment does it?   How did he know they stayed asleep?   What I am saying is the twins could have woken and gone back to sleep as far as he knew,  yet he says he found it strange they didn't wake.

What exactly does the officer say ?

[Robittybob1]

What exactly does the officer say ?

exactly.

[G-Unit]

It doesn't answer the question as to how the Police Officer can say the twins didn't wake up during the search of the apartment does it?   How did he know they stayed asleep?   What I am saying is the twins could have woken and gone back to sleep as far as he knew,  yet he says he found it strange they didn't wake.

He was asked and he gave his opinion.

[Sunny]

Give a little first...then a little more after a few minutes

Yes...an atomiser spray into the nose

I'm not suggesting it was...just answering gunit post

So you agree it lasts for an hour or so. So how does your intranasal ketamine work for 8 hours or more with the twins again?

[Mr Gray]

So you agree it lasts for an hour or so. So how does your intranasal ketamine work for 8 hours or more with the twins again?

you are starting to sound a bit obsessed...the same way as every sedative effects  lasts for 8 hours or so...try google...do you understand half life ...try google again

[Sunny]

you are starting to sound a bit obsessed...the same way as every sedative effects  lasts for 8 hours or so...try google...do you understand half life ...try google again

A half life wouldn't keep the twins virtually unconscious for 8 hours without further application of intranasal ketamine IMO. Can you show me different.  All the reading I have read shows that if the dose is small then the patient will awaken within an hour or so. The twins did not wake despite the "circus" going on in 5a. Can you explain?

[Mr Gray]

A half life wouldn't keep the twins virtually unconscious for 8 hours without further application of intranasal ketamine IMO. Can you show me different.  All the reading I have read shows that if the dose is small then the patient will awaken within an hour or so. The twins did not wake despite the "circus" going on in 5a. Can you explain?

Can you give me a cite where the patient will waken in an hour or so?

[Lace]

How do we know if the twins had woken up then gone back to sleep. In my experience when there is a large amount of noise and a child is awoken by it particularly at night in the dark, they will let you know that they are awake very quickly and expect them to come to you.  Wouldn't you expect the twins to be scared if they woke up in a dark noisy house with no parents apparent?

In my experience children of just over two,  don't always wake and cry for someone to come to them.   I presume it would be dark in their room at home,  as the McCann's tried to make the bedrooom the same as at home so as not to upset their routine.  I have gone into my childrens bedroom when they were two and searched in drawers, even turning the light on and they haven't woken up.   Why would they be scared?  They had slept in that room all week, that is a long time to a small child.  I have witnessed my children waking turning over and going back to sleep without even seeing me there,  so how a Police officer can say they never woke and he thought it strange without knowing if it was normal to them is rather peculiar.