Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Sunny]

I have already made it very clear that that is not my style, I leave that sort of behaviour to the sticklers for the forum rules.

But you do like having a dig at the moderators here as your signature shows.

[Lace]

There are lots of household chemicals freely available off the shelf which if applied over the nose and mouth with a cloth will render a person temporarily unconscious almost immediately.  A quick surf around the internet identifies many of them so it wouldn't have been terribly difficult for any abductor to get his hands on them.

Raymond Hewlett used paint thinners,  if something like that was used the window could have been opened to let the smell of it out.

[kizzy]

Raymond Hewlett used paint thinners,  if something like that was used the window could have been opened to let the smell of it out.

Oh lol....surly kmac would have smelt that ...before the door slammed .

[Sunny]

Raymond Hewlett used paint thinners,  if something like that was used the window could have been opened to let the smell of it out.

The smell wouldn't have dissipated that quickly even with a window open. I know when I clean a brush out it takes hours for that smell to go. Now I clean my brushes outside. This is IMO of course.

[jassi]

Raymond Hewlett used paint thinners,  if something like that was used the window could have been opened to let the smell of it out.

But why bother - we are assured that the alleged abductor was in and out in no time at all, so it wouldn't matter if a smell lingered. What would (s)he care?

[ShiningInLuz]

But why bother - we are assured that the alleged abductor was in and out in no time at all, so it wouldn't matter if a smell lingered. What would (s)he care?

Only if there was an MO of sedation in other attacks in the Algarve.  Which would be news to me.

[Brietta]

Only if there was an MO of sedation in other attacks in the Algarve.  Which would be news to me.

I agree with that.
There was no mention of the use of sedation by the perpetrator of the assaults on the children in their beds in holiday  accommodation ... nor is there any indication that the burglars operating in the Mark Warner apartments carried a sedative with them.
(One wonders if those burglars confined their area of operation to the holiday accommodation or were they equally as active in the village itself?)

But there is nothing to say that the perpetrator was a native of the Algarve or even Portuguese.  There was nothing to prevent a stranger importing their own MO and introducing it there.

[kizzy]

I agree with that.
There was no mention of the use of sedation by the perpetrator of the assaults on the children in their beds in holiday  accommodation ... nor is there any indication that the burglars operating in the Mark Warner apartments carried a sedative with them.
(One wonders if those burglars confined their area of operation to the holiday accommodation or were they equally as active in the village itself?)

But there is nothing to say that the perpetrator was a native of the Algarve or even Portuguese.  There was nothing to prevent a stranger importing their own MO and introducing it there.

Mmmm maybe someone going on holiday

[Sunny]

What doesn't make sense to me is that Kate claimed she thought that the children were sedated right from the start yet did nothing about it for months. She of all people should have known the risks to the children of being sedated by an unknown substance yet she didn't get them checked out or have samples taken to ensure there was nothing poisonous given to them which may be detrimental to their long term health or even, god forbid kill the twins.

Can any one explain her reasoning on this.

[Vertigo Swirl]

What doesn't make sense to me is that Kate claimed she thought that the children were sedated right from the start yet did nothing about it for months. She of all people should have known the risks to the children of being sedated by an unknown substance yet she didn't get them checked out or have samples taken to ensure there was nothing poisonous given to them which may be detrimental to their long term health or even, god forbid kill the twins.

Can any one explain her reasoning on this.

What sort of poisonous substance had you in mind, that sedates a child with no noticeable immedate ill effects that can harm or kill a child in later life?

[Sunny]

I was talking about at that particular moment in time. You come home to your flat and a child is gone. You know everything was definitely OK before you left for the tapas at 8.30-8.45pm (so just over 1.5hrs ago).  Your other children appear strangely lethargic and you wonder whether they have been sedated. You are concerned what they have been given.  DO you a) do nothing except check their breathing or do you b) get them checked out immediately to see if they have been given something that poisons them (at the very least they could be allergic to this substance). Personally I would go with b.

[kizzy]

What doesn't make sense to me is that Kate claimed she thought that the children were sedated right from the start yet did nothing about it for months. She of all people should have known the risks to the children of being sedated by an unknown substance yet she didn't get them checked out or have samples taken to ensure there was nothing poisonous given to them which may be detrimental to their long term health or even, god forbid kill the twins.

Can any one explain her reasoning on this.

I don't think anyone will because you can't - find any reason

like when she was checking they were breathing ..she was obviously worried . but didnt do anything.


https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/10/fiona-payne-kate-mccann-kept-putting.html

[Sunny]

I agree with that.
There was no mention of the use of sedation by the perpetrator of the assaults on the children in their beds in holiday  accommodation ... nor is there any indication that the burglars operating in the Mark Warner apartments carried a sedative with them.
(One wonders if those burglars confined their area of operation to the holiday accommodation or were they equally as active in the village itself?)

But there is nothing to say that the perpetrator was a native of the Algarve or even Portuguese.  There was nothing to prevent a stranger importing their own MO and introducing it there.

Brietta could you explain to me why a burglar would take a sleeping child and leave all the McCanns valuables in place. It doesn't make sense to me.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I was talking about at that particular moment in time. You come home to your flat and a child is gone. You know everything was definitely OK before you left for the tapas at 8.30-8.45pm (so just over 1.5hrs ago).  Your other children appear strangely lethargic and you wonder whether they have been sedated. You are concerned what they have been given.  DO you a) do nothing except check their breathing or do you b) get them checked out immediately to see if they have been given something that poisons them (at the very least they could be allergic to this substance). Personally I would go with b.

Thanks for sharing.  This is the way I see it.  Kate’s eldest child had just disappeared.  Her other two children were sound asleep, showing no signs of breathing difficulties and being looked after by experienced doctors, including herself, an experienced anaesthetist.  Kate’s immediate priority was Madeleine.  Yes, she was concerned that they may have been sedated but rushing the twins to A & E would have a) taken her away from the vicinity of Madeleine’s disappearance and b) would have only resulted in the twins receiving the same sort of monitoring  as they were already receiving from the doctors on hand.  The next day the twins were OK and Kate had other things on her mind.

[Sunny]

Thanks for sharing.  This is the way I see it.  Kate’s eldest child had just disappeared.  Her other two children were sound asleep, showing no signs of breathing difficulties and being looked after by experienced doctors, including herself, an experienced anaesthetist.  Kate’s immediate priority was Madeleine.  Yes, she was concerned that they may have been sedated but rushing the twins to A & E would have a) taken her away from the vicinity of Madeleine’s disappearance and b) would have only resulted in the twins receiving the same sort of monitoring  as they were already receiving from the doctors on hand.  The next day the twins were OK and Kate had other things on her mind.

You say the same sort of monitoring but I would imagine they may give the twins blood tests etc to identify any foreign substances that they have been given. This would confirm whether or not they were drugged and what would have happened if one of the twins had a seizure due to the drug given, in a hospital setting with equipment and other drugs it would be much more likely to have a happy outcome.

I am adding the above is my opinion. I have provided cites later in the thread though.