Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[slartibartfast]

Thanks for sharing.  This is the way I see it.  Kate’s eldest child had just disappeared.  Her other two children were sound asleep, showing no signs of breathing difficulties and being looked after by experienced doctors, including herself, an experienced anaesthetist.  Kate’s immediate priority was Madeleine.  Yes, she was concerned that they may have been sedated but rushing the twins to A & E would have a) taken her away from the vicinity of Madeleine’s disappearance and b) would have only resulted in the twins receiving the same sort of monitoring  as they were already receiving from the doctors on hand.  The next day the twins were OK and Kate had other things on her mind.

Do you have a cite for the monitoring equivalence to hospital?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do you have a cite for the monitoring equivalence to hospital?

No.  I was talking bollocks.  Is that the correct answer?

[slartibartfast]

No.  I was talking bollocks.  Is that the correct answer?

Your prerogative.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You say the same sort of monitoring but I would imagine they may give the twins blood tests etc to identify any foreign substances that they have been given. This would confirm whether or not they were drugged and what would have happened if one of the twins had a seizure due to the drug given, in a hospital setting with equipment and other drugs it would be much more likely to have a happy outcome.

Could you provide a cite regarding the hospital procedures when a child is admitted to hospital when it is suspected they may have been sedated, thanks.

[Robittybob1]

I assume that when you say "it is so unlikely that it doesn't register on the scale" it is your opinion as it isn't factually based in my opinion.

Sentences with the words "I think" are clearly noted as opinion OK.
As Davel said:
"I don't disagree that it is possible that the McCann's are not what I think they are...but it is so unlikely that it doesn't register on the scale."

[Sunny]

OK sorry I missed that bit Robittybob1

[Vertigo Swirl]

Your prerogative.

Yes, silly me for imagining that a bunch of experienced doctors watching over two sleeping children would be able to discern whether they were getting into difficulties or facing a life-threatening situation.

[Robittybob1]

What doesn't make sense to me is that Kate claimed she thought that the children were sedated right from the start yet did nothing about it for months. She of all people should have known the risks to the children of being sedated by an unknown substance yet she didn't get them checked out or have samples taken to ensure there was nothing poisonous given to them which may be detrimental to their long term health or even, god forbid kill the twins.

Can any one explain her reasoning on this.

That appears to be factually incorrect when you read the statements from the Liaison officers.

[Robittybob1]

What sort of poisonous substance had you in mind, that sedates a child with no noticeable immedate ill effects that can harm or kill a child in later life?

Halothane comes to mind.  It causes liver problems.
"Background
Halothane and other halogenated inhalational anesthetic agents, such as enflurane, isoflurane, sevoflurane, and desflurane, are known to cause severe liver dysfunction. The National Halothane Study, a retrospective analysis, reviewed the incidence and mortality rates of postoperative hepatic necrosis from 1959-1962. [1] This study found that, of 82 cases of fatal hepatic necrosis, 9 cases were deemed likely to be drug induced. Seven of the 9 patients had received halothane. Based on this study, the risk of fatal halothane hepatotoxicity was estimated to be 1 in 35,000. When the World Health Organization (WHO) drug monitoring database was reviewed for the medications that most commonly cause fatal hepatotoxicity; halothane was one of the 10 most common causes. Given this risk, halothane is not recommended for use in adults."
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/166232-overview

[Robittybob1]

Do you have a cite for the monitoring equivalence to hospital?

There are plenty of cases where patients gone to hospital have to wait an extraordinary amount of time in the waiting room before being examined.

[Robittybob1]

Could you provide a cite regarding the hospital procedures when a child is admitted to hospital when it is suspected they may have been sedated, thanks.

Your request for a cite is cancelled as it was said "but I would imagine"  so it isn't a claim but an opinion based on imagination.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Halothane comes to mind.  It causes liver problems.
"Background
Halothane and other halogenated inhalational anesthetic agents, such as enflurane, isoflurane, sevoflurane, and desflurane, are known to cause severe liver dysfunction. The National Halothane Study, a retrospective analysis, reviewed the incidence and mortality rates of postoperative hepatic necrosis from 1959-1962. [1] This study found that, of 82 cases of fatal hepatic necrosis, 9 cases were deemed likely to be drug induced. Seven of the 9 patients had received halothane. Based on this study, the risk of fatal halothane hepatotoxicity was estimated to be 1 in 35,000. When the World Health Organization (WHO) drug monitoring database was reviewed for the medications that most commonly cause fatal hepatotoxicity; halothane was one of the 10 most common causes. Given this risk, halothane is not recommended for use in adults."
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/166232-overview

Wouldn’t you need a machine and mask for delivering this anasthetic?

[Mr Gray]

Halothane comes to mind.  It causes liver problems.
"Background
Halothane and other halogenated inhalational anesthetic agents, such as enflurane, isoflurane, sevoflurane, and desflurane, are known to cause severe liver dysfunction. The National Halothane Study, a retrospective analysis, reviewed the incidence and mortality rates of postoperative hepatic necrosis from 1959-1962. [1] This study found that, of 82 cases of fatal hepatic necrosis, 9 cases were deemed likely to be drug induced. Seven of the 9 patients had received halothane. Based on this study, the risk of fatal halothane hepatotoxicity was estimated to be 1 in 35,000. When the World Health Organization (WHO) drug monitoring database was reviewed for the medications that most commonly cause fatal hepatotoxicity; halothane was one of the 10 most common causes. Given this risk, halothane is not recommended for use in adults."
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/166232-overview

Halothane is not a sedative....it's a very short acting anaesthetic..i don't think it would fit the bill as something that would have been given to the twins to keep them asleep..
It wasnt used to induce anaesthesia but to maintain it...often for several hours so that's when rare situations like halothane hepatitis might rarely occur..
If it was to produce problems their would be symptoms...and the twins didn't show these symptoms

[Robittybob1]

Wouldn’t you need a machine and mask for delivering this anasthetic?

That wasn't what you asked for originally but any volatile substance could be applied via a cloth like they did with chloroform I'd imagine.  I can't remember doing this myself but I do remember being knocked out with chloroform.

[Mr Gray]

That wasn't what you asked for originally but any volatile substance could be applied via a cloth like they did with chloroform I'd imagine.  I can't remember doing this myself but I do remember being knocked out with chloroform.

Again it's very short acting...how long were you knocked out fot