Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[G-Unit]

The McCanns when asking the FLO if there was anything used to facilitate Madeleine’s abduction could merely have been fishing for information.

There were two related subjects mentioned to the FLO's. The crying the night before (it's still 'the twins', note, not Madeleine and Sean), and possible sedation.

The crying incident, they thought, may have been triggered by 'the abductor' the previous night.
As no-one cried on Thursday, perhaps 'the abductor' returned with the means of silencing the children?
Did the PJ find any evidence that Madeleine had been sedated?

I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.

I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm

[faithlilly]

There were two related subjects mentioned to the FLO's. The crying the night before (it's still 'the twins', note, not Madeleine and Sean), and possible sedation.

The crying incident, they thought, may have been triggered by 'the abductor' the previous night.
As no-one cried on Thursday, perhaps 'the abductor' returned with the means of silencing the children?
Did the PJ find any evidence that Madeleine had been sedated?

I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.

I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm

Perhaps the morning of the disappearance recollection was to cover the fact that sedation had been administered more than once ?

[G-Unit]

It is problematic because it is not clear that anything was done about the request to the FLOs.  Did the request get passed onto the PJ and what did the PJ do to settle the question?

We don't know what was done because it's not disclosed.The FLO's, it should be noted, aren't messenger boys. They are police officers who listen to what people have to say and make their own minds up if it's of use to the investigators. Although they are sympathetic they are also used to gather information useful to the investigation. The PJ weren't accustomed to using them. They got the hang of it later and used Paiva in the role.

[Robittybob1]

There were two related subjects mentioned to the FLO's. The crying the night before (it's still 'the twins', note, not Madeleine and Sean), and possible sedation.

The crying incident, they thought, may have been triggered by 'the abductor' the previous night.
As no-one cried on Thursday, perhaps 'the abductor' returned with the means of silencing the children?
Did the PJ find any evidence that Madeleine had been sedated?

I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.

I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm

Very interesting to consider how the three nights could have been connected. Mrs Fenn reporting crying on Tuesday night.  Madeleine complaining about lack of parental attention on the Wednesday night and Madeleine missing with the twins possibly sedated on the Thursday night. 

I can see a scenario where all 3 nights are connected, can you?

[Robittybob1]

We don't know what was done because it's not disclosed.The FLO's, it should be noted, aren't messenger boys. They are police officers who listen to what people have to say and make their own minds up if it's of use to the investigators. Although they are sympathetic they are also used to gather information useful to the investigation. The PJ weren't accustomed to using them. They got the hang of it later and used Paiva in the role.

Could the FLOs have run toxicology tests themselves while in Portugal?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Perhaps the morning of the disappearance recollection was to cover the fact that sedation had been administered more than once ?

How does that work then?

[Sunny]

We also don't know when the McCanns spoke about drugs to the FLO there is no record of a date only that they did at some point and as the FLO's arrived (or at least one did) on 5th May 2007 and the statement was given in April 2008 how do we know if the McCanns did not speak to the FLO's say around September 2007 when I think they publicly raised the possible drugged scenario and had the twins tested. All my opinion of course.

[Vertigo Swirl]

We also don't know when the McCanns spoke about drugs to the FLO there is no record of a date only that they did at some point and as the FLO's arrived (or at least one did) on 5th May 2007 and the statement was given in April 2008 how do we know if the McCanns did not speak to the FLO's say around September 2007 when I think they publicly raised the possible drugged scenario and had the twins tested. All my opinion of course.

Why would they even bother to raise the possibility months later if they were somehow involved?

[misty]

The CSI team tested Madeleine's bedding on 4/5 for traces of chloroform by sniffing, which proved negative, Can anyone think of a reason why the bedding wasn't bagged & sent off for toxicology tests and, at the same time, the PJ asking if the twins had displayed any unusual symptoms which required further investigation?

[Sunny]

Why would they even bother to raise the possibility months later if they were somehow involved?

It could be for the same reason that they decided to get the twins and kate checked for drugs in November 2007. But you have to ask them why they did that then and not sooner. IMO

[faithlilly]

The CSI team tested Madeleine's bedding on 4/5 for traces of chloroform by sniffing, which proved negative, Can anyone think of a reason why the bedding wasn't bagged & sent off for toxicology tests and, at the same time, the PJ asking if the twins had displayed any unusual symptoms which required further investigation?

The PJ had nothing to suggest drugs had been used and the McCanns hadn’t mentioned any unusual symptoms in their first witness statements so why would the PJ enquire further about the twins ?

[misty]

The PJ had nothing to suggest drugs had been used and the McCanns hadn’t mentioned any unusual symptoms in their first witness statements so why would the PJ enquire further about the twins ?

That is a very poor excuse to use on behalf of a team of expert criminal investigators.IMO.

[G-Unit]

Could the FLOs have run toxicology tests themselves while in Portugal?

I can't think why they would want to. They couldn't test Madeleine and there was no evidence to suggest that the twins had been sedated.

[faithlilly]

That is a very poor excuse to use on behalf of a team of expert criminal investigators.IMO.

Is it ?

I was trying to think of a case where a child was abducted from her bed and their siblings were tested for drugs as a matter of course. I couldn’t think of one. Can you ?

[misty]

I can't think why they would want to. They couldn't test Madeleine and there was no evidence to suggest that the twins had been sedated.

Kate McCann was insisting Madeleine had been abducted. The CSI team sniffed bedding in an attempt to detect the use of chloroform. Was that the extent of obtaining potential evidence which would help show how an abduction had been facilitated without disturbing the other 2 occupants in the bedroom?