Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Vertigo Swirl I said "information" not "secret evidence" . There may be discussions etc that took place that weren't in the files. You weren't there and I wasn't there either but Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida was.

Again IMO.

What’s the difference between information (critical to the investigation which helped Tavares Almeida arrive at his conclusions  but not included in the files) and secret evidence then?

[Brietta]

Vertigo Swirl I said "information" not "secret evidence" . There may be discussions etc that took place that weren't in the files. You weren't there and I wasn't there either but Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida was.

Again IMO.

Indeed he was ... but whether or not you want to hang on his every word is a matter for you.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2140.msg71033#msg71033
All of which was going on in the background of Madeleine's case.

[Brietta]

Just a thought though.  If the PJ did have a file called secret evidence that they could use at some stage.  Once the case is archived and the  secret evidence is not included in the file, it could "lost".

If there was information which could have been used against the McCanns do you think they wouldn't have used it?

[Robittybob1]

If there was information which could have been used against the McCanns do you think they wouldn't have used it?

No they would have used it, but what if the secret information was going to point in another direction altogether?

If they get too focused on the McCanns as it appears they would tend to miss the other stuff. 

This was emphasised in the Mona Blades Cold Case documentary aired 2 weeks ago in NZ.  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/cold-case/episodes/s1-e1  I don't know if that link works over there.

[Brietta]

No they would have used it, but what if the secret information was going to point in another direction altogether?

If they get too focused on the McCanns as it appears they would tend to miss the other stuff. 

This was emphasised in the Mona Blades Cold Case documentary aired 2 weeks ago in NZ.  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/cold-case/episodes/s1-e1  I don't know if that link works over there.

I believe the investigation did place too much focus on the McCanns which might have meant they missed other stuff but that is a long way off thinking that they deliberately perverted the course of justice.  That is a step too far.

[sadie]

I believe the investigation did place too much focus on the McCanns which might have meant they missed other stuff but that is a long way off thinking that they deliberately perverted the course of justice. That is a step too far.

Hmmm?   

Do you think so?

[faithlilly]

I believe the investigation did place too much focus on the McCanns which might have meant they missed other stuff but that is a long way off thinking that they deliberately perverted the course of justice.  That is a step too far.

‘Other stuff’ which OG seem to have also missed in 7 years.

[Robittybob1]

I believe the investigation did place too much focus on the McCanns which might have meant they missed other stuff but that is a long way off thinking that they deliberately perverted the course of justice.  That is a step too far.

Let's hope they didn't go that far.   I'm still planning for a trip over there next year and I'd like to think everything is above board.

[Robittybob1]

‘Other stuff’ which OG seem to have also missed in 7 years.

The PJ were rather overwhelmed with information and people coming and going from the resort,  Top that off with the language barrier.  It is interesting that the second documentary in the TVNZ Cold Case series was a case where the NZ police had to deal with Vietnamese speaking suspects. 

It ended up the police actually used a potential suspect to interpret between then and the wife of the missing man.

I couldn't help but see the similarity between that case and the McCann case.  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/cold-case/episodes/s1-e2

[Sunny]

The PJ were rather overwhelmed with information and people coming and going from the resort,  Top that off with the language barrier.  It is interesting that the second documentary in the TVNZ Cold Case series was a case where the NZ police had to deal with Vietnamese speaking suspects. 

It ended up the police actually used a potential suspect to interpret between then and the wife of the missing man.

I couldn't help but see the similarity between that case and the McCann case.  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/cold-case/episodes/s1-e2

I think you may be right. They had dozens of potential sightings of Madeleine to follow up, they had the McCanns asking them to follow up psychics information and other peoples claims such as Danie Krügel, it would be hard to keep on track.

Brietta, Vertigo Swirl, I actually wasn't meaning secret evidence (I have already said this) against the mccanns, rather that Almeida was working the case every day and seeing the information as it arrived within the police force.  This plus discussions between the police officers would give him an insight we now don't have or were you both there.

I have seen a lot of criticism of the original PJ work but I honestly think any police force would find it difficult with all the information flying in and the UK media's constant criticism. Also just  look at how many sightings there were in 2007 that would have to be followed up IMO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reported_sightings_of_Madeleine_McCann

[G-Unit]

Indeed he was ... but whether or not you want to hang on his every word is a matter for you.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2140.msg71033#msg71033
All of which was going on in the background of Madeleine's case.

It sounds like Almeida was working with the DCCB in Lisbon in 2000. If it's the same man, that is.

[Robittybob1]

It sounds like Almeida was working with the DCCB in Lisbon in 2000. If it's the same man, that is.

He received a suspended sentence earlier.  But he keeps his job.

"suspended sentence
noun LAW
a judicial punishment which is not enforced unless a further crime is committed during a specified period.
"a two-year suspended sentence""

[Miss Taken Identity]

I think you may be right. They had dozens of potential sightings of Madeleine to follow up, they had the McCanns asking them to follow up psychics information and other peoples claims such as Danie Krügel, it would be hard to keep on track.

Brietta, Vertigo Swirl, I actually wasn't meaning secret evidence (I have already said this) against the mccanns, rather that Almeida was working the case every day and seeing the information as it arrived within the police force.  This plus discussions between the police officers would give him an insight we now don't have or were you both there.

I have seen a lot of criticism of the original PJ work but I honestly think any police force would find it difficult with all the information flying in and the UK media's constant criticism. Also just  look at how many sightings there were in 2007 that would have to be followed up IMO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reported_sightings_of_Madeleine_McCann

Yes Sunny, we have all read that criticism  just hours after MBM was claimed to be missing. The fantasies procured by some supporters  that the PJ would spend many years and man hours checking every gypsy camp,every paedophile in the entire world is laughable if it were not so serious. The McCanns made it a global search .. why? well it has been suggested to keep the police from looking at them? what made McCanns think the whole world should be involved in criticising a police force and not criticise them? arrogance dear friends...

Their daughters disappearance is their responsibility- they cared only about themselves. They took a risk and lost.


Now back to sedation.... when was this supposed to have taken place with all the comings and goings apparently that one night? The drugger was taking  a huge risk of getting caught...

[misty]

‘Other stuff’ which OG seem to have also missed in 7 years.

That should justify at least another 12 months funding by the Home Office then.

[faithlilly]

That should justify at least another 12 months funding by the Home Office then.

The ‘last lead’ was 18 months ago. If they haven’t cracked it by now what’s the chance they ever will ?