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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #780 on: August 09, 2018, 08:56:55 PM »
Were they not included in the released PJ files?
I read somewhere the rogatory statements were not included in the released file, but were added to the McCann PJ file collection later.  My impression is that there are different degree of release on the CD depending on who was getting the copy.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #781 on: August 09, 2018, 09:27:00 PM »
I read somewhere the rogatory statements were not included in the released file, but were added to the McCann PJ file collection later.  My impression is that there are different degree of release on the CD depending on who was getting the copy.
It appears the copy released to Kate McCann was more extensive than the one in the McCann PJ file.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #782 on: August 09, 2018, 09:38:44 PM »
Many reasons but primarily the need to withhold evidence which could otherwise jeopardise the investigation.
There was no live investigation to jeopardise when the files were released.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #783 on: August 09, 2018, 10:17:46 PM »
There was no live investigation to jeopardise when the files were released.
It was still able to be opened again.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #784 on: August 09, 2018, 10:23:34 PM »
In theory there requires to be full disclosure but that doesn't always happen for many reasons.  Investigations can sometimes develop tunnel vision resulting in miscarriages of justice.

Are you saying that the police, in theory, hand over all their files to the CPS, but they sometimes keep some back? The numbering system used by the Portuguese police would make that difficult to do imo. The prosecutor would notice.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #785 on: August 10, 2018, 05:33:08 AM »
Are you saying that the police, in theory, hand over all their files to the CPS, but they sometimes keep some back? The numbering system used by the Portuguese police would make that difficult to do imo. The prosecutor would notice.
Do you know how Kate McCanns file was numbered?  Each release could be numbered differently.

Who is to know the prosecutor himself may wish to hold back certain files. 
In the McCann case there has been no trial so full disclosure has not been raised as an issue.
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Offline Sunny

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #786 on: August 10, 2018, 05:44:57 AM »
I hope this makes it clearer but I have looked and to me the individual pages are marked with pen or pencil so I imagine the one that the McCanns have would be marked with the same numbers on the same pages.

See this one for example, top right hand corner
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #787 on: August 10, 2018, 05:55:15 AM »
I hope this makes it clearer but I have looked and to me the individual pages are marked with pen or pencil so I imagine the one that the McCanns have would be marked with the same numbers on the same pages.

See this one for example, top right hand corner
I don't think imagination would be enough to prove that.  I could imagine them to be different whereas you imagine them to be the same.
If there was evidence that the files are referenced within themselves with valid numbering maybe I'd believe you
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Offline Sunny

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #788 on: August 10, 2018, 06:26:07 AM »
I don't think imagination would be enough to prove that.  I could imagine them to be different whereas you imagine them to be the same.
If there was evidence that the files are referenced within themselves with valid numbering maybe I'd believe you

I see there is a signature at the top of the page. I have checked and the other pages I have looked at have the same signature. It is not a question of believing me I simply pointed out that the pages were numbered.

Numbering the pages afterwards makes more sense to me than trying to number them at the time as there may have been more than one policeman working on it and creating a page at the same time. How on earth would they keep track of the number? Whether you "believe me" is immaterial, the point is the pages were numbered individually and I am sure it was by the PJ and probably at the time of the archiving so that they could keep track of the information.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #789 on: August 10, 2018, 07:25:45 AM »
Do you know how Kate McCanns file was numbered?  Each release could be numbered differently.

Who is to know the prosecutor himself may wish to hold back certain files. 
In the McCann case there has been no trial so full disclosure has not been raised as an issue.

So let's take just one statement. On 4th May Kate McCann's statement was taken. At some point it was filed and the pages were numbered 58 to 65.

For the files released to the McCanns to have different numbers the PJ would have had to create two sets of files as they went along. Why would they do that?
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Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #790 on: August 10, 2018, 07:29:36 AM »
So let's take just one statement. On 4th May Kate McCann's statement was taken. At some point it was filed and the pages were numbered 58 to 65.

For the files released to the McCanns to have different numbers the PJ would have had to create two sets of files as they went along. Why would they do that?

Exactly G-Unit.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #791 on: August 10, 2018, 08:58:28 AM »
So let's take just one statement. On 4th May Kate McCann's statement was taken. At some point it was filed and the pages were numbered 58 to 65.

For the files released to the McCanns to have different numbers the PJ would have had to create two sets of files as they went along. Why would they do that?
Are there any numbered pages referred within the PJ documents referred by using the hand written page number?
on this page "The trace evidence described before and referenced as #1 to #7 were delivered to the Lisbon Office of the National Institute of Legal Medicine, under cover of delivery note #156/2007-CR/L a copy of which is attached, for further laboratory examination."
CR/L number could be PJ reference system.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #792 on: August 10, 2018, 09:02:28 AM »
Are there any numbered pages referred within the PJ documents referred by using the hand written page number?

Pardon?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #793 on: August 10, 2018, 09:16:16 AM »
Pardon?
Find a PJ document that refers to another document within the file.  How do they make the reference?
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Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #794 on: August 10, 2018, 09:44:56 AM »
Find a PJ document that refers to another document within the file.  How do they make the reference?

Do they do that?
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