Is This True? ""partial footwear mark" found just outside Madeleine's bedroom"?

[Mr Gray]

I agree, what the FSS and Grime told Amaral is likely different to their legal reports.

who do you think told amaral this...

More recently, it's Eddie who helps to find a body buried under a flagstone at the former orphanage, Haut-de-la-Garenne, in Jersey, setting for a terrible case of paedophilia and child murder.

[Mr Gray]

then we ahve this from TTOTL...

At a meeting in our office, with the Portuguese and the English investigation team, Stuart expresses his disappointment over the test results. This is where the saga of the FSS reports begins. We read the part of the report dealing with the traces of blood lifted from the floor of apartment 5A, from behind the sofa and in the boot of the McCanns' car and we don’t agree with Stuart’s disappointment. We talk about blood traces because the CSI dog is trained to find only that bodily fluid. The reports that support that decision are clear: the CSI dog was used to detect human blood. Low Copy Number, the technique used to determine the DNA of the samples, does not identify the nature of the bodily fluid they are derived from. But we know it's definitely traces of blood and not other bodily fluids since the CSI dog is trained to detect only human blood.

so amaral is contradicting what the FSS say

[Mr Gray]

The preliminary results from FSS were enlightening in a way, and confirmed the information given by the EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog) and the CSI dog.

- The CSI dog, Keela, signaled the presence of human blood where Eddie, the EVRD dog, marked the presence of cadaver odour - on the floor tiles behind the sofa in the lounge, on the key and in the boot of the Renault Scenic that was used by the McCanns from May 27th onwards.

- the bodily fluids, according to the FSS, contain markers from Madeleine's DNA profile.

IMO it is patently obvious it is amaral who is misunderstanding the results....the FSS results did not confirm the alerts

[Robittybob1]

to suggest he knows something of significance is opinion..........not fact

They are building a case against the McCanns, their focus will be on the evidence that fits that case.  In another criminal case  I studied, once you have the entire police file, you will find there is evidence that didn't fit the scenario the prosecution was promoting.  It would, by law, be disclosed to the defence prior to the trial but how much time has the defence got to research all the non-fitting evidence?
Would they disclose it in the first place?  It has been common practice over the years to keep these difficult bits hidden from the defence team.

[Mr Gray]

IMO Its clear from amarals own book their was no leaked preliminary report...the report was expalined to the PJ by Suart Prior.

[Sunny]

Its clear from amarals own book their was no leaked preliminary report...the report was expalined to the PJ by Suart Prior...but  amaral would not listen and drew his own conclusions

According to an alleged quote from Goncalo Amaral's book he at least believed there were two reports


But there was more in this first preliminary report. In the same report, the scientist went further and explained that in the profiles of many of the lab experts, elements from the DNA profile of Madeleine are present. This means that a major part of the DNA profile of any given person can be built by three donors. That is understandable. Two questions arose immediately. The first one: what good is a DNA profile in terms of criminal evidence, if it can be the combination of three or more donors? Another question was simple: why did the DNA profile from those three donors contribute to Madeleine’s DNA profile and not to that of any other person, like the scientist who carried out the test? But the surprises from the preliminary reports were not to end there.

On the very day that interrogation of the McCann couple starts, a second preliminary report reaches us. Contrary to the first report, it accords more importance to the DNA profile of the blood lifted from the floor of the apartment. In that sample, the DNA came from more than one donor, but the confirmed DNA components match the corresponding components of Madeleine’s DNA profile.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2123.15

[faithlilly]

Are you certain you've got that right?  If it was in the paper we would surely be seeing the newspaper articles by now I would have thought.

Shouldn’t you be asking for a cite ?

[Robittybob1]

Amaral said he received such a report from the FSS.  Refer to Sky's Martin Brunt report.

From 1.35

Davel:
There is a report by Martin Brunt prior to this one where he tell us what the PJ have on the DNA analysis.  All papers may have this on this day, but not the day before.  Look for the first report on this matter.

[Mr Gray]

Davel:
There is a report by Martin Brunt prior to this one where he tell us what the PJ have on the DNA analysis.  All papers may have this on this day, but not the day before.  Look for the first report on this matter.

amaral describes the preliminary report in his book...theres no leaked report IMO...Ive quoted most of it above...and shown that IMO amaral just didnt understand it

[Robittybob1]

amaral describes the preliminary report in his book...theres no leaked report...Ive quoted most of it above...and shown that amaral just didnt understand it

I think it is Amaral bluffing the McCanns via the press that he has evidence against the McCanns.  IMO there was never an interim report.  IMO it was made up by the PJ as a ruse to try and get a confession from the McCanns.

It is not that Amaral didn't understand, but IMO he is controlling the situation in a very cunning manner.

[Mr Gray]

Davel:
There is a report by Martin Brunt prior to this one where he tell us what the PJ have on the DNA analysis.  All papers may have this on this day, but not the day before.  Look for the first report on this matter.

brunt does not say the Pare the source for anything...he simply mentions reports by local media...the PJ may have leaked its misundertanding of the FSS report...and thats what it is...confirmed by amarls statements in his book

[Mr Gray]

I think it is Amaral bluffing the McCanns via the press that he has evidence against the McCanns.  IMO there was never an interim report.  IMO it was made up by the PJ as a ruse to try and get a confession from the McCanns.

It is not that Amaral didn't understand, but IMO he is controlling the situation in a very cunning manner.

my feeling is that basically....he didnt  have a clue...what you are suggesting is he he had no evidence and he was bluffing ...perhaps he should ahve realised he had no evdence because they were innocent

[Robittybob1]

my feeling is that basically....he didnt  have a clue

Well Robert Murat describes what it was like to face the PJ during the interrogations.  You can see it on the faces of the McCanns as they exit the arguido interviews. 

[Mr Gray]

Well Robert Murat describes what it was like to face the PJ during the interrogations.  You can see it on the faces of the McCanns as they exit the arguido interviews.

so what..he still didnt ave a clue..imo..no one wants a beating like cipriano

[Robittybob1]

so what..he still didnt ave a clue..imo..no one wants a beating like cipriano

We won't solve this by arguing over opinions.  Moving on.