Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[The General]

Ermmm...isn't that what Gerry has been criticised for doing, for the last 11 years?

Maybe he's also got something to hide? Don't know, IMO, etc.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Maybe he's also got something to hide? Don't know, IMO, etc.

So you’re happy to criticise him for not doing something he has done, ok.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The dog's alerts were an attack on no-one. They were a response to the smell of the substances the dogs were trained to find.

The alerts were used as the basis of an attempt to charge the McCanns with hiding a child’s body, no wonder they were a bit defensive about them!

[G-Unit]

The alerts were used as the basis of an attempt to charge the McCanns with hiding a child’s body, no wonder they were a bit defensive about them!

How does that make the alerts 'an ad hominem attack' on the couple?

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[Vertigo Swirl]

How does that make the alerts 'an ad hominem attack' on the couple?

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It makes them as much an attack on the couple, as does anything said by the couple being an "ad hominem" attack on the dogs.  You know dogs are animals, right? 

[The General]

It makes them as much an attack on the couple, as does anything said by the couple being an "ad hominem" attack on the dogs.  You know dogs are animals, right?

Surely it can only be ad hom if they are aware of it? The McCann's, not the dogs.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Surely it can only be ad hom if they are aware of it? The McCann's, not the dogs.

If it's only an ad hom if they are aware of it then it is impossible to attack the dogs with ad homs.  Stupid good for nothing hounds.   

[G-Unit]

It makes them as much an attack on the couple, as does any post on here being an "ad hominem" attack on the dogs.  You know dogs are animals, right?

By calling into question the reliability of all cadaver dogs used by law enforcement Gerry McCann was using a fallacious argumentative strategy. He took one case where the evidence of these dog's handler was deemed inadmissible as evidence and tried to suggest that all handler's evidence would be inadmissible as all their dogs were unreliable. It was a smear attempt pure and simple in my opinion.

[Vertigo Swirl]

By calling into question the reliability of all cadaver dogs used by law enforcement Gerry McCann was using a fallacious argumentative strategy. He took one case where the evidence of these dog's handler was deemed inadmissible as evidence and tried to suggest that all handler's evidence would be inadmissible as all their dogs were unreliable. It was a smear attempt pure and simple in my opinion.

So you'd expect him to say "yes, the dogs are nearly always right, therefore Madeleine obviously died in the apartment and we are obviously guilty of hiding her body as there can be no other explanation for the alerts in the apartment or in our hire car or on our clothes", right?

[Sunny]

So you'd expect him to say "yes, the dogs are nearly always right, therefore Madeleine obviously died in the apartment and we are obviously guilty of hiding her body as there can be no other explanation for the alerts in the apartment or in our hire car or on our clothes", right?

Or perhaps be upset that his daughter had died in the apartment and her remains taken away by persons unknown.

Why did Gerry think it a appropriate to speak with Martin Grimes superior at South Yorkshire Police?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Or perhaps be upset that his daughter had died in the apartment and her remains taken away by persons unknown.

Why did Gerry think it a appropriate to speak with Martin Grimes superior at South Yorkshire Police?

How would that scenario explain the dog alerts to the hire car and the clothing?  It wouldn't so it makes no sense for him to think the alerts meant his daughter had died in the apartment and removed by persons unknown.

[G-Unit]

So you'd expect him to say "yes, the dogs are nearly always right, therefore Madeleine obviously died in the apartment and we are obviously guilty of hiding her body as there can be no other explanation for the alerts in the apartment or in our hire car or on our clothes", right?

If I informed a police officer whose drug detection dog had alerted to me or my possessions that those dogs were incredibly unreliable would he;
a) Apologise and let me get on with my day,
b) Search me and my possessions thoroughly.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If I informed a police officer whose drug detection dog had alerted to me or my possessions that those dogs were incredibly unreliable would he;
a) Apologise and let me get on with my day,
b) Search me and my possessions thoroughly.

The latter obviously but so what?  The police had already searched the McCanns and their property and found nothing, leading to Gerry’s conclusion that they were very unreliable, and why shouldn’t he say so if that was his opinion?  What should he have said about the dogs?  That they were almost always right and that therefore Madeleine must have died and somehowbeen transported in the hire car 23 days after her death, without him noticing?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Question for dog supporters:  if the dogs are highly reliable, and nearly always right, does that mean Madeleine’s corpse was in the hire car?

[Robittybob1]

Question for dog supporters:  if the dogs are highly reliable, and nearly always right, does that mean Madeleine’s corpse was in the hire car?

It certainly gets confusing when we realise Eddie alerted at the door seal and later to the key fob.   So could the alert just be to the key fob inside the car to begin with.  Eddie was never put into the boot, yet the dog Keela alerted in the boot.
I think the results are inconclusive.
IMO Eddie needed to have alerted to the boot when the key fob had been taken out of the car.