Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Robittybob1]

A short time later Mr Grime’s dog was
presented with the item and gave a positive indication for human
remains.


This is interestinhg and from tjhe BDO report. What its saying is that after recovering the coconut....it was presented to Eddie who alerted to it. So Edddie DID alert specifically  to the coconut...waht does thats say about eddies reliability. page 44 on the right side

https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20Operation%20Rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20BDO%20Alto.pdf

The report does not specifically say Eddie but "Mr Grime’s dog"

"As has now been widely reported, on the morning of 23 February
2008 LGC were excavating the area when they uncovered a
fragment of material measuring 6.3cm x 4.4cm that was believed
at that time to be human bone. The LGC scientist described it as ‘a
fragment of juvenile rather than an adult cranium’ and it was
referred to as JAR/6. A short time later Mr Grime’s dog was
presented with the item and gave a positive indication for human
remains."

[Mr Gray]

The report does not specifically say Eddie but "Mr Grime’s dog"

"As has now been widely reported, on the morning of 23 February
2008 LGC were excavating the area when they uncovered a
fragment of material measuring 6.3cm x 4.4cm that was believed
at that time to be human bone. The LGC scientist described it as ‘a
fragment of juvenile rather than an adult cranium’ and it was
referred to as JAR/6. A short time later Mr Grime’s dog was
presented with the item and gave a positive indication for human
remains."

are you saying it was another dog

[barrier]

The report does not specifically say Eddie but "Mr Grime’s dog"

"As has now been widely reported, on the morning of 23 February
2008 LGC were excavating the area when they uncovered a
fragment of material measuring 6.3cm x 4.4cm that was believed
at that time to be human bone. The LGC scientist described it as ‘a
fragment of juvenile rather than an adult cranium’ and it was
referred to as JAR/6. A short time later Mr Grime’s dog was
presented with the item and gave a positive indication for human
remains."

Cross contamination? if the fragment had been handled previously and by how many hands?

[Eleanor]

The problem was that Eddie wasn't a proper Cadaver Dog.  He had been taught too many old tricks, so not even Martin Grime knew what the dog was alerting to.

[Robittybob1]

The excavation costing several million pounds was triggered by  false alert by the cadaver dog Eddie

Wasn't it that the people doing the excavation found the coconut shell, then they presented it to Mr Grime's dog who then alerted. 
An object can have secondary cadaver odour on it.

Cross contamination? if the fragment had been handled previously and by how many hands?

Exactly.

[Mr Gray]

Wasn't it that the people doing the excavation found the coconut shell, then they presented it to Mr Grime's dog who then alerted. 
An object can have secondary cadaver odour on it.
Exactly.

Im well aware of that....ive said on previous  occcasions eddie could never be proved wrong...the claim of cross contamination could always be made....so any alert could be cross contamination. ...or it could be a false alert..

looks like bone.....smells like bone....but its a coconut


its  abit strange that eddie alerted to something that grime thought was a childs skull...

[Robittybob1]

are you saying it was another dog

If the report does not name the dog, don't say it was Eddie.

[Robittybob1]

Im well aware of that....ive said on previous  occcasions eddie could never be proved wrong...the claim of cross contamination could always be made....so any alert could be cross contamination. ...or it could be a false alert..

looks like bone.....smells like bone....but its a coconut

Who said it smells like bone?  Stop making things up.

[Mr Gray]

If the report does not name the dog, don't say it was Eddie.

its in all the newspaers...it was eddie..http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7263355.stm

are you unaware of the facts  rob

[Eleanor]

If the report does not name the dog, don't say it was Eddie.

It was Eddie.  Of that there is no doubt.

[Robittybob1]

its in all the newspaers...it was eddie..http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7263355.stm

are you unaware of the facts  rob

You don't believe the papers.  You've told us that many times.

[Mr Gray]

Who said it smells like bone?  Stop making things up.

eddie alerts to bone.....to the smell of bone.....im making nothing up

[Eleanor]

Lenny Harper wanted it to be Bone, basically to justify the appalling cost.

[Mr Gray]

You don't believe the papers.  You've told us that many times.

are you being deliberately awkward...take it up with John..

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7855.msg374783#msg374783

[Mr Gray]

You don't believe the papers.  You've told us that many times.

ive never said i dont believe the papers