Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....

[steve_trousers]

I agree, Brexit lost Labour the election but that certainly doesn’t mean that the Tory party has those voters best interests at heart. They were a means to an end and I do pity the poor souls who think otherwise.

There are around 300,000 Jewish people in the UK...many of them Labour members and many of them voted for Labour and

I’m afraid you are sadly deluded if you think the the red wall fell because Labour were accused of being [ censored word]emitic

. Do your research....three Conservative MPs were accused of [ censored word]emitism in the election campaign...two of who are still members of the party...now tell me how Labour aren’t getting a handle on claims of [ censored word]emitism.

I didn't. I said the red wall fell because 2 thirds of them voted for Brexit and their own party ignored them, alienating Jewish folk was yet another own goal.
There is without doubt an [ censored word]emitism problem within Labour at grass roots level, I was at the London demonstrations in 2015 I know what I heard. Bile and Hatred was all too commonplace.

[Eleanor]

The conservative party have shown they are the real representatives of working people in Britain today.
Labour failed to listen to their working class voters, two thirds of whom voted for Brexit. The majority of their MP's then pressured Corbyn into a 2nd referendum stance that their constituents didn't want.

I don't see anything institutionally racist about them, it's just London labour crying into their beer because they lost. Labour should have got a handle on the blatant anti semitism within their own ranks but chose not to. Another own goal seeing as many Jewish folk supported them.

It seems that [ censored word]emitism crept up on The Labour Party.  They seem to think that, as ever, Jews own all of The Money.  I don't know if they do, or not.  But Jews are good with money.  Is this now a crime?

I am good with money, I just never had all that much to be good with, so I stagger on.

My half brother whom I do love, inherited all of the Mitchell money from my Jewish stepmother after my gentile father died first. But I seriously can't get upset about this.

But it has always been to do with the ability to make money, most of which was hard earned.

Meanwhile Hitler slaughtered 6 Million people in an attempt to take over the wealth of The Jews.  It was nothing else but envy.  And we all know where that went.

Just as a matter of interest,  Shakespeare wasn't an anti-Semite.  Shylock was the greatest part he ever created.  And Antonio was a classic, over privileged dick head who thought he could abuse and use Jews. 

Don't even talk to me about Portia.  I would have sicked up playing her "Quality of Mercy" speech.  I mean, have you read it?  Vomit, vomit. 
But I did once play Shylock.  That was glorious.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Thank you Eleanor...very interesting answers....a few questions.

Do you think it’s possible for the Tories to be institutionally racist but as you are simply a voter and not a member it might have slipped by you ? Many voters simply avail themselves of the information they needed to make a, hopefully, informed choice but no more.

Do you think the poor girls groomed in the Oxford and Rotherham grooming scandal where somehow complicit in their own abuse simply because they drank the alcohol offered, took the drugs offered, lied to their parents etc etc ? There are cases of young girl being sexually groomed on line, taking their passports and arranging to run away. Are the complicit in their own abuse ? Isn’t grooming grooming whether it’s to run away to join a terrorist organisation or your far older abuser ?

Brexit....we will just have to wait and see.

[ censored word]emitism is abhorrent and so is any kind of racism. Are we to ignore the sort that lead to the deportations to Jamaica this week, while mourning the bullying of our Jewish neighbours ? I think Corbyn put it excellently this week when he asked Johnson if a foreign born, white man who took cocaine should face deportation ? It’s the double standard that appalls me.

Was snorting cocaine the worst crime these deported Jamaican offenders committed?

[Eleanor]

Thank you Eleanor...very interesting answers....a few questions.

Do you think it’s possible for the Tories to be institutionally racist but as you are simply a voter and not a member it might have slipped by you ? Many voters simply avail themselves of the information they needed to make a, hopefully, informed choice but no more.

Do you think the poor girls groomed in the Oxford and Rotherham grooming scandal where somehow complicit in their own abuse simply because they drank the alcohol offered, took the drugs offered, lied to their parents etc etc ? There are cases of young girl being sexually groomed on line, taking their passports and arranging to run away. Are the complicit in their own abuse ? Isn’t grooming grooming whether it’s to run away to join a terrorist organisation or your far older abuser ?

Brexit....we will just have to wait and see.

[ censored word]emitism is abhorrent and so is any kind of racism. Are we to ignore the sort that lead to the deportations to Jamaica this week, while mourning the bullying of our Jewish neighbours ? I think Corbyn put it excellently this week when he asked Johnson if a foreign born, white man who took cocaine should face deportation ? It’s the double standard that appalls me.

Dear Faith,   Thanks for the opportunity.  I gave up on voting 35 years ago, 25 years before I moved to France.  So I am not a Voter.  I worked stoically for The Tory Party until I realised that they were making a fool of me.  I despise Politicians in general.  Much more to it, of course.

My Comment was tongue in cheek, by the way.  I was tying to say how ridiculous it all is.  Or did you take me literally?

Children being groomed makes me sick to my stomach, but where were their parents and the authorities?

Am I Racist?  Too bloody true I am on occasions, if white, girl children are being targeted by depraved morons.  But try saying so.  The Police were a disgrace.  But then they often are.

I would like to feel more sorry for Shamima Begum, but she came from a fairly solid family who I doubt ever treated her badly.  So why was she looking to be radicalised?  She was just a spoilt brat looking for attention.  But even spoilt brats have to learn.  However, I suspect that it might be a bit too late for that for her, and some others.  She is not alone.  Cock a snook at Britain and then find out what it means.
She stole her sister's passport and the money.  Is that okay?  Stealing a Passport is a major crime.

Anti Semitism isn't actually Racism.  It is a Crime against Humanity.

I am not sure of the damage that Labour has done to itself, or even if it meant to, but the more of this shite that is out there then the better.

[faithlilly]

. Do your research....three Conservative MPs were accused of [ censored word]emitism in the election campaign...two of who are still members of the party...now tell me how Labour aren’t getting a handle on claims of [ censored word]emitism.


I didn't. I said the red wall fell because 2 thirds of them voted for Brexit and their own party ignored them, alienating Jewish folk was yet another own goal.
There is without doubt an [ censored word]emitism problem within Labour at grass roots level, I was at the London demonstrations in 2015 I know what I heard. Bile and Hatred was all too commonplace.

What demonstrations ?

[faithlilly]

Was snorting cocaine the worst crime these deported Jamaican offenders committed?

Some of them.

[faithlilly]

Dear Faith,   Thanks for the opportunity.  I gave up on voting 35 years ago, 25 years before I moved to France.  So I am not a Voter.  I worked stoically for The Tory Party until I realised that they were making a fool of me.  I despise Politicians in general.  Much more to it, of course.

My Comment was tongue in cheek, by the way.  I was tying to say how ridiculous it all is.  Or did you take me literally?

Children being groomed makes me sick to my stomach, but where were their parents and the authorities?

Am I Racist?  Too bloody true I am on occasions, if white, girl children are being targeted by depraved morons.  But try saying so.  The Police were a disgrace.  But then they often are.

I would like to feel more sorry for Shamima Begum, but she came from a fairly solid family who I doubt ever treated her badly.  So why was she looking to be radicalised?  She was just a spoilt brat looking for attention.  But even spoilt brats have to learn.  However, I suspect that it might be a bit too late for that for her, and some others.  She is not alone.  Cock a snook at Britain and then find out what it means.
She stole her sister's passport and the money.  Is that okay?  Stealing a Passport is a major crime.

Anti Semitism isn't actually Racism.  It is a Crime against Humanity.

I am not sure of the damage that Labour has done to itself, or even if it meant to, but the more of this shite that is out there then the better.

Wasn’t Shamima Begum targeted by depraved morons ? The girls groomed by the Asian men in Rotherham and Oxford had free will but also the vulnerability that comes with age.....Shamima Begum was every bit as vulnerable. If you think not then why not ?

[ censored word]emitism is racism.

I agree a light should be shone on every corner where racism lives....and that’s in every party.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Some of them.

Do you have a link?

[faithlilly]

Do you have a link?

Course. From the government’s own website


Class   Drug   Possession
A   Crack cocaine, cocaine, ecstasy (MDMA), heroin, LSD, magic mushrooms, methadone, methamphetamine (crystal meth)   Up to 7 years in prison, an unlimited fine or both.


The PM could have been jailed for seven years. I wonder how many of the deportees were convicted of a crime carrying a seven year sentence?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Course. From the government’s own website


Class   Drug   Possession
A   Crack cocaine, cocaine, ecstasy (MDMA), heroin, LSD, magic mushrooms, methadone, methamphetamine (crystal meth)   Up to 7 years in prison, an unlimited fine or both.


The PM could have been jailed for seven years. I wonder how many of the deportees were convicted of a crime carrying a seven year sentence?

no, a link to the cases of the men deported for snorting cocaine.

[faithlilly]

no, a link to the cases of the men deported for snorting cocaine.

Possession of cocaine...the sentence if caught, up to seven years in prison.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Possession of cocaine...the sentence if caught, up to seven years in prison.

No, you keep on misunderstanding (deliberately?)  You said that for some of the deportees their worst crime was snorting cocaine.  Do you have a link to these cases of men who were deported for simply snorting cocaine?

[Vertigo Swirl]

As you don’t seem able to supply the link I asked for I went and had a look myself.  These are the criminal acts pertaining to the 17 deportees

A government breakdown of the 17 people on the Jamaica deportation flight today: Rape 1 convicted for rape and given an 11 year sentence 1 convicted of rape and given a sentence of 4 years and 6 months   Violent crime 1 convicted for a violent assault and given a sentence of 1 year and 3 months 1 convicted of wounding with intend to cause GBH, possession of a weapon in public place Violent offences against a person (Wounding) 7 years 1 convicted of a violent crime against a person and given a 8 year sentence Drugs 1 convicted for intent to supply class A drugs – 7 year sentence 1 persistent offender, whose most recent conviction was for drugs offences and intimidating a witness and given a total sentence of 11 months 1 convicted for importing controlled drugs and given a sentence of four years 1 convicted to supplying class  A drugs and given a sentence of four years and six months 1 convicted to supplying class A drugs and given a sentence of three years 1 convicted of importing controlled class B drugs and given a three year sentence 1 convicted of supplying class A drugs (crack cocaine) and given a sentence of 3 years and 2 months 1 convicted of supplying class A drugs and given a sentence of 3 years and 4 months Robbery and firearm offences: 1 convicted of robbery and give a life sentence 1 convicted of robbery, firearms offence, theft of a vehicle and possessing class A drugs, given a five year sentence 1 convicted for conspiracy to rob and possession of a firearm and given a sentence of 9 years Burglary 1 convicted of burglary and given a prison sentence of 2 years and 6 months

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As I thought - no one deported simply for snorting coke.

[faithlilly]

No, you keep on misunderstanding (deliberately?)  You said that for some of the deportees their worst crime was snorting cocaine.  Do you have a link to these cases of men who were deported for simply snorting cocaine?

If the crime carries a prison sentence does it really matter what the crime was ? If Johnson had been jailed for possession of a class A drug and been Jamaican he could very well have been deported.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If the crime carries a prison sentence does it really matter what the crime was ? If Johnson had been jailed for possession of a class A drug and been Jamaican he could very well have been deported.

I have never heard of anyone being imprisoned for snorting cocaine.  Yes the crimes DO matter and I don’t think Boris would have been found guilty of any of the crimes committed by these 17 deportees, unless you have evidence to the contrary?