Order of killings

[Robittybob1]

And didn't someone mention a basement?    Do the police inspecting the house on the 7th go into a basement?

Trying to solve the mystery as where someone could hide at White House Farm was there a basement?  I have found a reference to a cellar.  A Cellar or basement is roughly the same thing.

CAL (author) mentions the cellar.  "It was harder to avoid the wooden slats of the cellar entrance directly below the window outside, which would have made a loud noise if stepped on in the dead of night." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166636/Bamber-slaughtered-family-25-bullets-told-girlfriend-s-going-years-investigation-leading-author-tell-exactly-happened-night-White-House-Farm-massacre.html 

So was the cellar only accessible from the outside?

[Robittybob1]

Another reference with an internal access to the cellar.

""in the kitchen by the doorway to the hall were two stools which were laying down on the floor blocking a covering position into the hall, these stools were moved to near the kitchen table. In the hallway the door to the cellar was forced open to allow access, it appeared the door was stuck with old paint and had not been opened for some time. PC Collins attempted to go down the cellar stairs, which gave way beneath him. A window in the dining room was unlocked and opened to allow an escape route if needed, this window was later shut and secured. The door to the bedroom opposite the children's room was locked and this was forced to allow access"."

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

Did the police go down into the basement/cellar even though the stairway was collapsing?


What I'm thinking is the first report was there were two bodies found downstairs but later that was downgraded to just one (Nevill Bamber).  Was there someone else just pretending to be deceased?
Or was it a ghost?

[Robittybob1]

I submit the cellar was not checked on the night.

"In the hallway, the door to the cellar was forced open to allow access, it appeared the
the door was stuck with old paint and had not been opened for some time.
PC Collins attempted to go down the cellar stairs, which gave way beneath him."

https://murderpedia.org/male.B/images/bamber_jeremy/20011745.pdf

that to me suggests the cellar was too risky to check.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Well there is a photo of a gun leaning by a window.  Are you aware of that photo?

When you say "Sheila had clearly been dead for many hours as she had liver mortis, blue mottling on her left arm, back and posterior, and was entering rigor mortis. Everyone else had been dead several hours too." do you think Sheila was deceased longer than the other adults?

The photo of the rifle by the window was taken by the police photographer after they’d raided and after the placed the gun by the window to prepare Sheila for being removed to the mortuary.

Can you please read the case?  You’re asking questions that aren’t relevant.

Jeremy shot Sheila dead last, but it would’ve been within the same time frame as when he shot his parents and nephews.

Rigor Mortis varies depending on the individual, the atmosphere, outside temperature etc.

Nevill was by the Aga which was on low, so his decomposition would have been quicker.

They did all have rigor mortis at varying degrees, due to the factors I mentioned.


I can’t recall who said it, but some bright spark suggested the raid team felt for a pulse on Sheila and in doing so, the gun fell, which is nonsense. And photos prove that.

But I can promise you that no police officer would have checked for pulses when it was evident they were all dead. Why do you think they didn’t call the paramedics in who were waiting outside?

[barrier]

The photo of the rifle by the window was taken by the police photographer after they’d raided and after the placed the gun by the window to prepare Sheila for being removed to the mortuary.

Can you please read the case?  You’re asking questions that aren’t relevant.

Jeremy shot Sheila dead last, but it would’ve been within the same time frame as when he shot his parents and nephews.

Rigor Mortis varies depending on the individual, the atmosphere, outside temperature etc.

Nevill was by the Aga which was on low, so his decomposition would have been quicker.

They did all have rigor mortis at varying degrees, due to the factors I mentioned.


I can’t recall who said it, but some bright spark suggested the raid team felt for a pulse on Sheila and in doing so, the gun fell, which is nonsense. And photos prove that.

But I can promise you that no police officer would have checked for pulses when it was evident they were all dead. Why do you think they didn’t call the paramedics in who were waiting outside?

Some one at sometime had to determine for the record they were dead,if not the first to arrive who then?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

That's you opinion that JB was good looking.

David Bain is imo aesthetically challenged especially with his ears but he still had many female supporters.

Actually, Holly...it’s you who thinks he’s good-looking 

You said previously that who you find VERY, VERY good-looking, is Freddie Fox who played Jeremy Bamber in WHF.

So, although he isn’t a double, he looks similar...although I personally don’t find either of them remotely attractive.

Not one iota.

When Jeremy was young I can see how some girls would have found him attractive, but he certainly wasn’t anything special.

It’s quite telling how all his obsessed supporters (including himself) post pictures of him taken 30 years ago. There’s only one recent one — and even thats 10 years old. He’s about 60 now; has white thinning hair; spectacles; and like all people his character has embedded itself into his face...

One reported who went to visit him a few years ago remarked how surprised he was when Jeremy hobbled in. He said that although he clearly worked out on his chest, he legs were thin (something like that); he had great big drooping jowls; looked YEARS older than his age; had a sickly grey complexion and “cold, dead eyes”

I’ve got it somewhere and will post it

I wonder if that’s why Jeremy hasn’t put a recent mugshot up?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

So, first there is movement at the window, which is thought to be a person, but which is later dismissed as a "trick of the light" (or something to that effect).  Then, there is a gun by a window, and that turned out to be a trick of somebody's imagination too. Not a gun, it just looked like a gun???

No wonder some of us ask questions!

The “movement “ wasn’t dismissed LATER: it was dismissed almost IMMEDIATELY

Try reading the official account from the officers, then you won’t have to ask silly questions

There was NO gun at the window: the gun at the window was when the police officers moved it

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Some one at sometime had to determine for the record they were dead,if not the first to arrive who then?

The police knew they were all dead — you can tell if someone’s dead just by looking at them — and these were trained police officers

They sent the paramedics away as they weren’t needed


They brought in the local GP who confirmed they were dead by just looking at them, and noted the time, I think he arrived around 8:30am

[mrswah]

Some one at sometime had to determine for the record they were dead,if not the first to arrive who then?

Of course they would have checked that they were dead.

[mrswah]

The police knew they were all dead — you can tell if someone’s dead just by looking at them — and these were trained police officers

They sent the paramedics away as they weren’t needed


They brought in the local GP who confirmed they were dead by just looking at them, and noted the time, I think he arrived around 8:30am

A GP confirms death just by looking at someone?  I very much doubt it-----although I agree, he or she would have a good idea.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

A GP confirms death just by looking at someone?  I very much doubt it-----although I agree, he or she would have a good idea.

You’re wrong

A doctor can tell immediately if someone is dead just by looking at them,

The very most they’ll do, if asked by police, is take the temperature of their body to try and determine an approximate time they died.

You’ve obviously never seen a dead body

[mrswah]

You’re wrong

A doctor can tell immediately if someone is dead just by looking at them,

The very most they’ll do, if asked by police, is take the temperature of their body to try and deeming an approximate time they died.

You’ve obviously never seen a dead body

Yes, of course a doctor could tell---but I would think he/she would have to document this, eg "no pulse" or "rigor mortis".

You have no idea what I have "obviously" done or not done!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Yes, of course a doctor could tell---but I would think he/she would have to document this, eg "no pulse" or "rigor mortis".

You have no idea what I have "obviously" done or not done!

No pulse...!

So when a doctor’s called to confirm a death of someone who’s been decapitated do they check for a pulse, then write notes “no pulse”?

[barrier]

You’re wrong

A doctor can tell immediately if someone is dead just by looking at them,

The very most they’ll do, if asked by police, is take the temperature of their body to try and deeming an approximate time they died.
You’ve obviously never seen a dead body

I have and despite my old man being obviously dead  a doctor confirmed as much in front of me.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I have and despite my old man being obviously dead  a doctor confirmed as much in front of me.

How long had your “old man” been dead, Barrier?