New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I don't really care.  I just believe in Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

You missed the words "legally" and "presumed". Objectively a person has either actually committed a crime or not before any trial takes place.

[Eleanor]

You missed the words "legally" and "presumed". Objectively a person has either actually committed a crime or not before any trial takes place.

I haven't missed anything.  How can anyone actually have committed a crime or not.

The Law of Innocent Until Proven Guilty is Absolute.

[Gertrude]

We dont know what evidence they have but from what they are saying it suggest they have some.

The police have said they don't want to question Bruickner yet until they have finished their preliminary investigations. The reason being that if they question him they have to release to his team everything they have. I would say that suggests they have some information/evidence they do not wish him to see. i wonder what that is.

No, I think you only get to see the evidence when charges are being prepared (stage 2). They can question him and he can remain silent, they can still go on gathering evidence to try and charge him ( which is what they must be doing) Stage 1

''If the investigation reveals sufficient grounds for you to be charged, the public prosecutor will submit an indictment setting out the charge'

Will I be informed of the witnesses and evidence against me?
In the indictment, the public prosecutor will list the evidence in support of the charge. Your defence lawyer will be able to view the file no later than at the end of the investigation and before the charge is brought against you. ''

Of course we don't know what evidence they have but it isn't enough to charge him and it can't be that compelling
 because to bring charges they need to have a 'reasonable expectation' the person would be convicted. So as it stands they cannot have an expectation the evidence they hold could convict him....ie. it's not compelling.

 This is what Judge Thomas Fischer said too. They haven't charged, so it can't be compelling evidence.

'"If the public prosecutor knew more, they would say more."

Dr Fischer went on to say he was skeptical the case was about to be solved and unconvinced the police have enough evidence to prosecute.

"There is a clear evidence base, but no compelling evidence,” he said.''

https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html

[G-Unit]

I haven't missed anything.  How can anyone actually have committed a crime or not.

The Law of Innocent Until Proven Guilty is Absolute.

People may be innocent or guilty in reality. Whatever the truth, everyone is entitled to the same protection in law once they are charged;

Article 11.
 
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

[Mr Gray]

No, I think you only get to see the evidence when charges are being prepared (stage 2). They can question him and he can remain silent, they can still go on gathering evidence to try and charge him ( which is what they must be doing) Stage 1

''If the investigation reveals sufficient grounds for you to be charged, the public prosecutor will submit an indictment setting out the charge'

Will I be informed of the witnesses and evidence against me?
In the indictment, the public prosecutor will list the evidence in support of the charge. Your defence lawyer will be able to view the file no later than at the end of the investigation and before the charge is brought against you. ''

Of course we don't know what evidence they have but it isn't enough to charge him and it can't be that compelling
 because to bring charges they need to have a 'reasonable expectation' the person would be convicted. So as it stands they cannot have an expectation the evidence they hold could convict him....ie. it's not compelling.

 This is what Judge Thomas Fischer said too. They haven't charged, so it can't be compelling evidence.

'"If the public prosecutor knew more, they would say more."

Dr Fischer went on to say he was skeptical the case was about to be solved and unconvinced the police have enough evidence to prosecute.

"There is a clear evidence base, but no compelling evidence,” he said.''

https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html

I read that once hes questioned he has the right to see all the evidence and that is why as yet they ahve not questioned him...I doubt I imagined that. You think im wrong but you dont know..

But German laws allow a suspect to access their case file as soon as they are identified, and prosecutors want to prevent Brueckner's legal team from seeing the file until they are ready to charge him. 



I would think that means identified as a suspect

[pathfinder73]

The McCann's are hanging onto the hope that Madeleine is alive,  so whatever they told the McCann's they can't be certain that Madeleine is dead even if they say she is.

They seem certain that she will never be found so still alive forever to them!

[Mr Gray]

People may be innocent or guilty in reality. Whatever the truth, everyone is entitled to the same protection in law once they are charged;

Article 11.
 
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

This has been discussed before and its been shown the POI applies to suspects.

[jassi]

Further info and a podcast to while away your time...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1294685/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-police-investigation-third-vehicle

https://www.facebook.com/cnninternational/videos/german-prosecutors-say-they-have-new-evidence-in-madeleine-mccann-case-but-not-e/261732008268201/

https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2020/jun/12/how-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-became-a-national-obsession-podcast

Interesting about the cars. I've mentioned before that I thought the van was wrong was bought in Germany in 2007. The existence of an estate car around early 2007 would fit in with that idea.
If the estate was a tatty old vehicle back then, it may well not have survived, so that all be a dead end.

Of course he bought and sold cars for a livelihood so has a perfectly good excuse for a turnover of vehicles.

[Eleanor]

People may be innocent or guilty in reality. Whatever the truth, everyone is entitled to the same protection in law once they are charged;

Article 11.
 
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

You can leave out the "Presumed."  Unless you think they don't have this Right before they have been Charged.

The McCanns have never been Charged, or even Arrested.

I am so very tired of these silly word games.  Most of whom indulge aren't even very good at it.

[barrier]

And that applies to Op Grange too imo.

Clowns to the left of me,jokers to the right,here I am stuck in the middle with you,not exactly covering themselves in glory are our MET.

The Germans for what ever reason say Madeleine is dead,OG don't agree,either the German's haven't shown OG their evidence of such or its not Madeleine the clue's or whatever the Germans have lead to.
Another day with out charges being laid at the anonymous German whose name is known,won't be long now.

[Eleanor]

Clowns to the left of me,jokers to the right,here I am stuck in the middle with you,not exactly covering themselves in glory are out MET.

The Germans for what ever reason say Madeleine is dead,OG don't agree,either the German's haven't shown OG their evidence of such or its not Madeleine the clue's or whatever the Germans have lead to.Another day with out charges being laid at the anonymous German whose name is known,won't be long now.

I don't suppose you could put a space between sentences, could you.

I know that it is not good to criticise grammar and spelling, but it is sometimes difficult to read what are otherwise good comments.

[pathfinder73]

I see the Bungling German police reports have begun 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8414673/Blundering-German-police-TOLD-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-going-investigated.html

[barrier]

I don't suppose you could put a space between sentences, could you.

I know that it is not good to criticise grammar and spelling, but it is sometimes difficult to read what are otherwise good comments.

I hope you're not accusing me of good comments,your standards are slipping.

[Mr Gray]

You missed the words "legally" and "presumed". Objectively a person has either actually committed a crime or not before any trial takes place.

And even if found not guilty is still only presuned innocent....not proven innocent. Its actually virtually impossible to be declared innocent.

[jassi]

I see the Bungling German police reports have begun 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8414673/Blundering-German-police-TOLD-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-going-investigated.html

A gigolo with a penchant for older women now. Is there no end to this's mans perversion ?