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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3480 on: June 27, 2020, 06:22:48 PM »

Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean.

I read that Kate did a check at 10pm and then ran back to the Tapas Bar screaming that Maddie had been taken.

Are you saying that all the Tapas9 and all the staff lied?

You can read the staff statements. They didn't lie. They just don't support what you assert they do. The timeline is far from clear and agreed.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3481 on: June 27, 2020, 06:25:16 PM »

Do you have a link to the waiters’ statements, please?

Of course:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm

Scroll down to "Tapas Bar Employees"

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3482 on: June 27, 2020, 06:26:05 PM »
Not when you examine the statements and the waiter who served them said they had left by 9:50pm. That time is when Kate left to check according to Matt Oldfield. You would change the timeline to 10pm if you are involved because you had been seen!

I thought the Tapas9 had group bookings for 8:30pm each night?

One hour & 20 minutes for a leisurely Tapas dinner on holiday with wine etc is far too short IMO. And according to reports, the previous evenings they all stayed out eating and drinking until almost midnight?

And if they were only spending just 1 hour & 20 mins on dinner, why do half hourly checks — one just 20 minutes before they were heading back? That doesn’t make sense.

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3483 on: June 27, 2020, 06:28:53 PM »

"All their friends had to be in on it" is the usual position taken by supporters.

It can never simply be that they were mistaken about the exact time.


They can’t ALL be mistaken on the times.

Especially when they’d all agreed to do half hourly checks.

How were they supposed to check ever half hour without knowing the time?
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Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3484 on: June 27, 2020, 06:28:57 PM »
I thought the Tapas9 had group bookings for 8:30pm each night?

One hour & 20 minutes for a leisurely Tapas dinner on holiday with wine etc is far too short IMO. And according to reports, the previous evenings they all stayed out eating and drinking until almost midnight?

And if they were only spending just 1 hour & 20 mins on dinner, why do half hourly checks — one just 20 minutes before they were heading back? That doesn’t make sense.

I don't think anyone ever asked them about that. Perhaps they were planning to go on somewhere.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3485 on: June 27, 2020, 06:30:05 PM »

They can’t ALL be mistaken on the times.

Especially when they’d all agreed to do half hourly checks.

How were they supposed to check ever half hour without knowing the time?

A little mystery that has never been explained.


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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline sadie

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3486 on: June 27, 2020, 06:34:14 PM »
Just a thought.
A DNA match from the Portuguese crime scene enabled Brueckner's rape conviction in a German court.  So there must have been a level of forensic co-operation between Germany and Portugal at one time.

Why does that appear to have been abrogated in the inquiry concerning Madeleine McCann and suspicion regarding Brueckner?

An interesting question, Brie


Makes one wonder if some important person/ people are being protected and the Good departments of the PJ are being screwed down

I don't think that there could have been a special collusion betwixt The Portuguese and The Germans to pre-empt and upset the OG findings, do you ?

Offline sadie

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3487 on: June 27, 2020, 06:40:31 PM »
So he has an appeal pending re: The validity of his extradition for a different crime. Both countries involved can liaise and add crimes to warrants apparently, but I doubt they can do it until this latest appeal comes to fruition - which could be next month.
Even if it's overturned he will probably still be held, as a retrial may ensue and he is an obvious flight risk.

The main issue for me seems to be if it can be argued that he will get a fair trial, now that his ugly grid has appeared in every newspaper and internet portal on the planet. Now he has defence lawyers clamouring for his attention, he's bound to get top class representation - pro bono too no doubt.

I had thought of that too, but couldn't find the words too express it so clearly as you.   Having been discussed so much on the media, there could maybe be a wriggling out space for CB.

Hope we, and others, haven't given him a wriggling out space.    Very clever, if someone has engineered that !

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3488 on: June 27, 2020, 06:43:23 PM »
What about.... Perish the thought... The German had a photo on the memory stick


Considering CB took a video of himself raping the 72-year-old woman, and showing it to his friend in a bar, it would be most unlikely that if he did kidnap Maddie he didn’t video horrifying things.

It makes you shudder, but you have to get into his mindset. He’d have taken a video for his evil pleasure. He may even have sold it to equally evil creatures on the dark web.

I can’t believe the Germans are so adamant that he killed Maddie had they no proof he had.

It’s quite possible that with the passing years CB grew confident, then when he was in the bar, drinking beer, getting slowly relaxed and tongue loosening, he bragged to his friend who he wrongly assumed wouldn’t say a word due to fear. It’s coincidental he showed his friend the video of him raping the elderly lady just after Maddie flashed up on the TV. That’s not coincidence IMO...

I suspect he showed him something else too.

The German police clearly believe that friend’s word, maybe by something he told him about Maddie that’s never been revealed publicly and only the police know.

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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3489 on: June 27, 2020, 06:44:40 PM »
That doesn’t make sense.

Exactly. It pays to read the actual statements rather than take as gospel the narrative according to the family spokesman - Clarence Mitchell. You said you had never heard of him. Check his C.V.  Look at the work he does. He has been called a "spinmaster". Is there any truth in that? you must decidefor yourself.  8(0(*
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3490 on: June 27, 2020, 06:45:37 PM »
I really don't know.  But if they saw The Body then where is it?

With all due respect, Eleanor, when the 72-year-old lady was raped by CB, unless anyone knew where it took place it could have been absolutely anywhere.
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Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3491 on: June 27, 2020, 06:45:48 PM »
If it is that easy to prove that Smithman wasn't GM (because he was at the Tapas Bar at 10pm) then this begs the question why didn't Clarence Mitchell publicise the sighting at the LSE event (January 2008) nor indeed at any of his public appeals around that time or since news of Smithman first broke? John makes the perfectly valid point that CM doesn't publicise Smithman because Smith thought it might have been GM (and CM believes him to be totally innocent). But if it's so easy to prove it wasn't GM then why not publicise a credible sighting of a possible abductor when we know how well they publicised lots of other reported sightings?

Did you miss the post where I explained to you exactly why your preoccupation with Clarence Mtchell and this event is totally wrong. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg602450#msg602450

This was a debate about the Media and the McCanns ... I wonder the loud mouths who went out of their way to make a show of themselves at it didn't ask for answers to your question.

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So far, so good. But once the debate was opened out to the audience by chairman Steve Hewlett, it went nowhere helpful. A vociferous group who have formed an organisation called The Madeleine Foundation showed a lamentable grasp of debating rules by interrupting speakers and shouting out a string of offensive comments about the McCanns and their PRs.

Their anger may have been sincere, but it became abundantly clear that they are infected with prejudice. Many of the claims they made - about money donated to the McCanns' fund, about payments to PRs, about the McCanns' actions and relationship with the police - were obviously based on the inaccurate accusations and innuendos published by so many newspapers.

However, reflecting on the debate on my journey home, I realised that they represented the authentic voice of so many British people, the Sun readers Kelvin had mentioned and probably the readers of all popular papers. It is not pretty.

Their unconcealed bile, their lack of compassion for the McCanns, their sanctimonious statements about the supposed parenting inadequacies of the McCanns, do not stem wholly from poor reporting.

Certainly, false stories have contributed to their fallacious arguments. But they were uninterested in the rational statements of Mitchell and McGuinness. They took no notice of the subtle arguments of Graef and Mills.

They were the equivalent of those mobs outside courts in murder trials, deaf to facts, cocooned from reality by their own self-righteous demagoguery. Their major aim, outlined in a "manifesto" circulated within the lecture theatre, is to see the McCanns prosecuted for "abandoning" their children.

The newspapers that have retailed nonsense about this case do have a lot to answer for. But then so do the people, do they not? What the debate never touched on was whether the media could, even eight months' on, play a positive role to counter the misinformation that appears now to have taken such a grip among the population.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2008/jan/31/themccannsdebatefrombanali


Smithman was a long time ago and unless you can make a connection between him and the German prime suspect Brueckner ... decidedly off topic on this thread.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3492 on: June 27, 2020, 06:47:15 PM »

Considering CB took a video of himself raping the 72-year-old woman, and showing it to his friend in a bar, it would be most unlikely that if he did kidnap Maddie he didn’t video horrifying things.

It makes you shudder, but you have to get into his mindset. He’d have taken a video for his evil pleasure. He may even have sold it to equally evil creatures on the dark web.

I can’t believe the Germans are so adamant that he killed Maddie had they no proof he had.

It’s quite possible that with the passing years CB grew confident, then when he was in the bar, drinking beer, getting slowly relaxed and tongue loosening, he bragged to his friend who he wrongly assumed wouldn’t say a word due to fear. It’s coincidental he showed his friend the video of him raping the elderly lady just after Maddie flashed up on the TV. That’s not coincidence IMO...

I suspect he showed him something else too.

The German police clearly believe that friend’s word, maybe by something he told him about Maddie that’s never been revealed publicly and only the police know.


Beats me too.
Perhaps it's a case of   'In our professional opinion'. 
Worth tiddly squit without hard evidence tying CB to her body.

I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3493 on: June 27, 2020, 06:47:31 PM »
I believe Clarence said not, in one of his interviews.

Regarding a clock, best ask someone who went on holiday there & scouted the place out shortly afterward

Oh, c’mon....all waiters, including the manager and chef know what the time is when running a restaurant.
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Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3494 on: June 27, 2020, 06:48:43 PM »
Oh, c’mon....all waiters, including the manager and chef know what the time is when running a restaurant.

Read what he says. I posted a link only a few posts back.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future