Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I dont know, Vertigo! Maybe she thought that she had killed him anyway, as long as he was subdued and unable to stop her killing June and the boys I dont suppose she cared!
Maybe she had to bash him over the head because the magazine wasn't inserted into the rifle at that point, who knows!
Point is, if the Aga caused the burns then the possible scenarios are very limited.
Do you think the Aga caused the burns, Vertigo?
Personally, I think anyone who doesn't think so is only delaying the inevitable, as it were!

From his injuries it is clear that Nevill was in a life and death struggle, so why was he unable to overcome his bird-like daughter in such a struggle as clearly the blow to the head wasn?t enough to stop him in his tracks (unless you?re suggesting that the blow to the head came after the life and death struggle?). Taken from another site:

Blood on right hand, face, upper & lower pyjamas, legs.

Severe swelling and bruising to both eyes.

Severe fractures to the skull.

Laceration to right eyebrow.

Laceration to right side of the nose.

Bruising and grazing to nose.

Bruising to both sides of the forehead.

Severe bruising to both cheekbones and temples.

Two linear abrasions to left cheek.

Face appeared deformed due to fracture of lower jaw.

Bruising to right ear.

Laceration to the top of the head.

Loss of skin from the palm of the hand.

Collection of bruises on the right forearm.

Bruising around the elbow.

Bruising to wrist and biceps.

Graze on left shoulder.

Bruising and grazing on the chest.

Three 'distinct' burn marks on back.

Bruising on right and left knee.

Bruising to toes and feet.

[Joe Blogs]

From his injuries it is clear that Nevill was in a life and death struggle, so why was he unable to overcome his bird-like daughter in such a struggle as clearly the blow to the head wasn?t enough to stop him in his tracks (unless you?re suggesting that the blow to the head came after the life and death struggle?). Taken from another site:

Blood on right hand, face, upper & lower pyjamas, legs.

Severe swelling and bruising to both eyes.

Severe fractures to the skull.

Laceration to right eyebrow.

Laceration to right side of the nose.

Bruising and grazing to nose.

Bruising to both sides of the forehead.

Severe bruising to both cheekbones and temples.

Two linear abrasions to left cheek.

Face appeared deformed due to fracture of lower jaw.

Bruising to right ear.

Laceration to the top of the head.

Loss of skin from the palm of the hand.

Collection of bruises on the right forearm.

Bruising around the elbow.

Bruising to wrist and biceps.

Graze on left shoulder.

Bruising and grazing on the chest.

Three 'distinct' burn marks on back.

Bruising on right and left knee.

Bruising to toes and feet.

Negative, Vertigo!
The injuries show that Nevill was beaten and shot by someone, thats all!!
There is no evidence whatsoever that he was in a life or death struggle, if this was the case then the killer would have shown some injuries too!
Neither JB nor Sheila showed any signs of being in a fight, and if JB had any hidden bruises on his body Julie would have told the police about this after she came forward!

[Joe Blogs]

They are saying the aga is the proof.

Well the Aga is proof I suppose if you rule out any other possible scenarios, Adam!
I asked the CT over on Twitter if they ever considered that the burns could have happened earlier on when Nevill was still alive?
They replied-   'It was considered but given the time it would take to achieve that level of burns to Nevills back that isn't a possibility. He would have rolled away if he could have.'

I then replied-  'What if Nevill was knocked out around 12.00 and came round at 3.00 before phoning JB? The Aga would be hotter at this time! If Nevill had a fractured skull his reflexes wouldn't alert him to roll away from the Aga. Did Vanezis state when the beating to the head took place? '-- To which I got no reply!!
         

[Vertigo Swirl]

Negative, Vertigo!
The injuries show that Nevill was beaten and shot by someone, thats all!!
There is no evidence whatsoever that he was in a life or death struggle, if this was the case then the killer would have shown some injuries too!
Neither JB nor Sheila showed any signs of being in a fight, and if JB had any hidden bruises on his body Julie would have told the police about this after she came forward!

Some of those injuries were most likely sustained as Nevill tried to defend himself.  Are you saying he was unable to defend himself against his daughter and that he was not in a struggle for his life?  A struggle between the two men, one wielding a weapon, would not necessarily have resulted in noticeable injuries to the latter.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well the Aga is proof I suppose if you rule out any other possible scenarios, Adam!
I asked the CT over on Twitter if they ever considered that the burns could have happened earlier on when Nevill was still alive?
They replied-   'It was considered but given the time it would take to achieve that level of burns to Nevills back that isn't a possibility. He would have rolled away if he could have.'

I then replied-  'What if Nevill was knocked out around 12.00 and came round at 3.00 before phoning JB? The Aga would be hotter at this time! If Nevill had a fractured skull his reflexes wouldn't alert him to roll away from the Aga. Did Vanezis state when the beating to the head took place? '-- To which I got no reply!!
         

What do you have Sheila Bamber doing in the 4 hours between smashing her dad round the head and him coming to, apart from the three murders which would have taken a few seconds to execute?

[Joe Blogs]

What do you have Sheila Bamber doing in the 4 hours between smashing her dad round the head and him coming to, apart from the three murders which would have taken a few seconds to execute?

I dont know how long the burns took to form, Vertigo, I give a window of three hours as a rough guide only until we see Boyce's Aga evidence in detail!
Anyway, June took a while to kill having managed to get out of bed before being finished off, the boys were probably wakened by the screaming, so Sheila would have to reassure them that everything was ok and get them back to sleep again! No way would she want them to suffer like June, they had to be asleep,unaware of what was about to happen, then a succession of head shots as quick as possible followed!
Who knows what Sheila did after killing June and the boys, there was letters found that she had written to her birth mother, possibly a suicide note too! She may have washed too and tidied herself up, maybe changed her clothing. There was a wet pair of leggings hanging over the ballustrades at the top of the stair.
I suppose a few prayers asking for forgiveness before she met her maker would be likely too!
Thing is,we will never know, especially with someone suffering from mental issues!

[The General]

Nevill had two potentially fatal shots to his face and a broken arm by the time he reached the kitchen, General, he gave little or no resistance! No battering was needed, only four head shots to finish him off!
The battering took place earlier on when Nev ended up lying by the Aga!
That was when the rifle was damaged causing part of the stock to break off.

How do you think he sustained the injuries, a trip on the stairs? A fight to the death occurred.
Gun or no gun, manicured nails or no, Bambi had no chance, as was proved by Nevil managing to hold on as long as he did.
I don't care about your aga, Jeremy Bamber shot two defenceless children in the head. Here's hoping he gets MND and withers away to a crisp, the cnut.

Incidentally, what order does your crackpot theory have them shot in?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I dont know how long the burns took to form, Vertigo, I give a window of three hours as a rough guide only until we see Boyce's Aga evidence in detail!
Anyway, June took a while to kill having managed to get out of bed before being finished off, the boys were probably wakened by the screaming, so Sheila would have to reassure them that everything was ok and get them back to sleep again! No way would she want them to suffer like June, they had to be asleep,unaware of what was about to happen, then a succession of head shots as quick as possible followed!
Who knows what Sheila did after killing June and the boys, there was letters found that she had written to her birth mother, possibly a suicide note too! She may have washed too and tidied herself up, maybe changed her clothing. There was a wet pair of leggings hanging over the ballustrades at the top of the stair.
I suppose a few prayers asking for forgiveness before she met her maker would be likely too!
Thing is,we will never know, especially with someone suffering from mental issues!

All the while leaving her father downstairs, not knowing if he was alive or dead.  Yeah very plausible.  So you have her as a beserk homicidal maniac who managed to calm down enough to soothe her boys back to sleep before pumping their brains full of lead.  Again, highly likely I?m sure.  And then once she?s pumped herself up to homicidal maniac status again to kill her sons and father she then calms right down again to perform some light laundry, have a nice relaxing bath and write a few letters, before somehow managing to blow her own brains out with a shotgun.  It?s all quite laughable really.

[Joe Blogs]

Some of those injuries were most likely sustained as Nevill tried to defend himself.  Are you saying he was unable to defend himself against his daughter and that he was not in a struggle for his life?  A struggle between the two men, one wielding a weapon, would not necessarily have resulted in noticeable injuries to the latter.

The prosecution case is that Nevill was shot in the bedroom to begin with before fleeing to the kitchen, Vertigo! That is, the two face shots and the arm and body shots. If you read the details of the face shots you will find that they could have been potentially fatal on their own having lodged in Nevills vertebra, the arm shot broke his arm and caused overlapping of the bones, very nasty painfull injuries, very nasty!
Now even if Sheila was the killer, Nevill would still have recieved the same injuries before reaching the kitchen, albeit on the landing beside the main bedroom and the stair case retreating to the kitchen!
But!! Whoever shot him and where, he was still in no condition whatsoever to fight back in anyway once he reached the kitchen, at best, all Nevill could do was stumble onto a chair exhausted and hold up his one good arm to defend himself.
And this does indeed seem to be the case, his right arm recieved injuries which resembled poking from the rifle barrel, and linear bruises were found on his shoulders thought to be from the whacking of the barrel.
The sight of the rifle probably slashed Nevills hand at this time too!
Nevills pyjama bottoms came down in the scuffle too and he finally tripped up and stumbled onto the chair, his head landing in the scuttle which stopped him falling to the floor.
Now at peace, succumbing to pain and blood loss, Nevill is in the perfect position to recieve the final four shots to the head!
No 'treeemendous' struggle nor fight for life took place in the kitchen, Vertigo!
That simply was not possible! A three year old kid could have finished off Nevill at that stage!

[Joe Blogs]

All the while leaving her father downstairs, not knowing if he was alive or dead.  Yeah very plausible.  So you have her as a beserk homicidal maniac who managed to calm down enough to soothe her boys back to sleep before pumping their brains full of lead.  Again, highly likely I?m sure.  And then once she?s pumped herself up to homicidal maniac status again to kill her sons and father she then calms right down again to perform some light laundry, have a nice relaxing bath and write a few letters, before somehow managing to blow her own brains out with a shotgun.  It?s all quite laughable really.

Indeed it may sound far fetched, Vertigo!
But if, if the Aga made the burns, what other explanation is there?
Only that the police must have moved Nevill upon entry, do you favour that scenario?
Or can you come up with an alternative Aga burn scenario??

[Joe Blogs]

How do you think he sustained the injuries, a trip on the stairs? A fight to the death occurred.
Gun or no gun, manicured nails or no, Bambi had no chance, as was proved by Nevil managing to hold on as long as he did.
I don't care about your aga, Jeremy Bamber shot two defenceless children in the head. Here's hoping he gets MND and withers away to a crisp, the cnut.

Incidentally, what order does your crackpot theory have them shot in?

June shot first, next the boys and then Nevill, General!
Why dont you care about the Aga?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Indeed it may sound far fetched, Vertigo!
But if, if the Aga made the burns, what other explanation is there?
Only that the police must have moved Nevill upon entry, do you favour that scenario?

What other explanation is there?  That something else caused the burns, which may not even have been burns. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

The prosecution case is that Nevill was shot in the bedroom to begin with before fleeing to the kitchen, Vertigo! That is, the two face shots and the arm and body shots. If you read the details of the face shots you will find that they could have been potentially fatal on their own having lodged in Nevills vertebra, the arm shot broke his arm and caused overlapping of the bones, very nasty painfull injuries, very nasty!
Now even if Sheila was the killer, Nevill would still have recieved the same injuries before reaching the kitchen, albeit on the landing beside the main bedroom and the stair case retreating to the kitchen!
But!! Whoever shot him and where, he was still in no condition whatsoever to fight back in anyway once he reached the kitchen, at best, all Nevill could do was stumble onto a chair exhausted and hold up his one good arm to defend himself.
And this does indeed seem to be the case, his right arm recieved injuries which resembled poking from the rifle barrel, and linear bruises were found on his shoulders thought to be from the whacking of the barrel.
The sight of the rifle probably slashed Nevills hand at this time too!
Nevills pyjama bottoms came down in the scuffle too and he finally tripped up and stumbled onto the chair, his head landing in the scuttle which stopped him falling to the floor.
Now at peace, succumbing to pain and blood loss, Nevill is in the perfect position to recieve the final four shots to the head!
No 'treeemendous' struggle nor fight for life took place in the kitchen, Vertigo!
That simply was not possible! A three year old kid could have finished off Nevill at that stage!

At what point in this above fantasy, I mean scenario do you have Nevill making the phone call to JB?

[Joe Blogs]

At what point in this above fantasy, I mean scenario do you have Nevill making the phone call to JB?

After he regained conciousness around 3.00. Vertigo!
Before he went up stairs to be shot!

[Joe Blogs]

What other explanation is there?  That something else caused the burns, which may not even have been burns.

No no, I was asking if you had any Aga burn scenarios in mind yourself, Vertigo?
That is, I want you to give a scenario that includes the Aga burning Nevills back!